*POLL* Should a strain of chickens carry the breeder's name?

*POLL* Should a strain of chickens carry it's breeder's name?

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SpotTheCat said:
I still don’t get it, because everyone got there birds from someone else, if you are breeding to the SOP then you can’t add something new unless you are making a new colour. I most be missing something because wouldn’t that mean all credit then goes to the person who made the breed (except for any new colours) at the start? I don’t breed birds, I breed guinea pigs, so maybe its just a chicken thing I am missing?
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No, not all credit would go to the originator. Credit goes to all involved. I'm speaking of something more than just credit. I'm not talking about just breeding either though as most people see it. I'm talking of creating bloodlines. Foundations. Anyone can breed. Only special dedicated people create whole bloodlines..

In my experience it's a chicken and a dog thing. I may also just suck at explaining it lol. Guarantee any gamefowl or game dog people here get it.
 
Overo Mare said:
No, not all credit would go to the originator. Credit goes to all involved. I'm speaking of something more than just credit. I'm not talking about just breeding either though as most people see it. I'm talking of creating bloodlines. Foundations. Anyone can breed. Only special dedicated people create whole bloodlines..

In my experience it's a chicken and a dog thing. I may also just suck at explaining it lol. Guarantee any gamefowl or game dog people here get it.
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Oh, maybe why I don’t understand is because I presumed everyone who bred was putting in the effort to make a bloodline. With my guinea pigs I want to have a line of guinea pigs know for being good, not just to have 1 or 2 good guinea pigs, is that maybe the difference you are talking about?
 
SpotTheCat said:
Oh, maybe why I don’t understand is because I presumed everyone who bred was putting in the effort to make a bloodline. With my guinea pigs I want to have a line of guinea pigs know for being good, not just to have 1 or 2 good guinea pigs, is that maybe the difference you are talking about?
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With any animal breeding, whether being bred for perfection, or just generally trying to make the breed better, everyone has their own definition of Better, so it's not the same, or not always is better then the original.

Breeding can be unpredictable sometimes, especially with hidden recessive traits that wasn't seen until you discovered it. Like feather, & leg colors, body types, tail types/shape/angle. Just to name a few.

Or you can get something completely different, & doesn't resemble the original breed, or breeds you began with.
 
SpotTheCat said:
Oh, maybe why I don’t understand is because I presumed everyone who bred was putting in the effort to make a bloodline. With my guinea pigs I want to have a line of guinea pigs know for being good, not just to have 1 or 2 good guinea pigs, is that maybe the difference you are talking about?
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Yes! Exactly. There are a lot of "breeders" that just smash animals together to create more to sell. Their purpose of breeding is to sell. Then there are breeders that take pride in what they do and have other purposes other than just selling.
 
Also, no bird is perfect, no matter what. You maybe breeding for SOP, but just to get the traits that are required for a "Perfect" bird results in a lot of culling of birds that are lacking, has Flaws, or are not showing the traits needed to do good in the show.
 
Getting back to "should a strain of chickens carry breeders name?"

I don't believe the people who've been the foundation of lines actually named the lines themselves. My thought is lines are named named by those that have obtained them. When asked "where did you get your stock? They look great and have conformity" The person replies "Oh I got these from (insert breeders name)". Shaffer, Folley, Murphy, and the list goes on of established lines of birds. People can breed birds but there are fewer that create and maintain what their contemporaries and future chicken folk will consider a line of bird.
 
Egghead_Jr said:
Getting back to "should a strain of chickens carry breeders name?"

I don't believe the people who've been the foundation of lines actually named the lines themselves. My thought is lines are named named by those that have obtained them. When asked "where did you get your stock? They look great and have conformity" The person replies "Oh I got these from (insert breeders name)". Shaffer, Folley, Murphy, and the list goes on of established lines of birds. People can breed birds but there are fewer that create and maintain what their contemporaries and future chicken folk will consider a line of bird.
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Another good point!
 
Overo Mare said:
Holy tag list batman. I didn't get my alert. Neither did Moony.

I think they absolutely should!
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I wasn't invited but I'll chime in... ;)
The Moonshiner said:
Like said before some will just use your name as a selling point for their birds after they've bred them into the ground.
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This is very, very true.

I remember a hundred years ago when I first got into birds named lines were a lot more common especially with the fad breeds. Marans for example, I had Fugate, Ripley, and Bev lines. There was a Valentine hatchery/breeder (I may be remembering that wrong) that specialized in Marans. Lowell Barber was a name you wanted if you were looking for Barnevelders. I can't remember if there was anything fancy about the Welsummers. The Penes were related to Barry Koffler from FeatherSite. Foley is a name you see associated with Wyandotte, specifically Blue-laced Red, even though they no longer breed them.

I certainly intend on having my name associated with my lines of English Orpingtons when it's all said and done. Especially the project colors I've been working on.
 

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