Question On Midnight Black Shoulder White Eye Peacock

[AndysPeafowlSanctuary]

My Midnight Black Shoulder White Has Finally Turned 3 and is growing in his adult train. Unlike his father( 1st pic underneath) he has Plain white eye feathers and fish tail feathers plus the normal white dot in the middle of the eye feather. Is this normal for white eyes to have a train that looks pied? The breeder that i bought him from has never seen this in her white eye birds and i was curious to if this is normal within the white eye gene? Thanks @ndy

The Father

The Son

 

[Arbor]

Is there such a thing as dark pied white eyed? I have never kept white eyed, so I cannot answer your question about normality of white feathers on white eyed birds, but no photos that I have seen on white eyed males have ever shown white train feathers.

 

[AquaEyes]

Is it possible that the white is the remnants of his juvenile black-shouldered plumage?

 

[clinton9]

Cannot help you...I think maybe a Dark Pied White-eyed Midnight BS peacock ???

 

[Arbor]

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I doubt it, but it may be possible. His white feathers in the train though would be unusual even for juvenile black-shoulder plumage. The father bird shows a white spot under the chin, indicating it may possibly be dark pied. A single pied gene working with the white eyed genes may be at play.

Andy - does the father have any white flights?

 

[AndysPeafowlSanctuary]

Arbor- His dad also has the white flight feathers. Looks exactly like him except for the train. The breeder I got him from has had her birds for years and has only raised white eyes but no pieds. I'm really excited to see his full train and get to the bottom of this. I'll keep everyone updated with pics and such; the only option would be its somehow split to pied or a white eye mutation? I'm lost!

 

[AquaEyes]

Are the peacocks in the pics (Dad and Son) examples of birds with one or two copies of the White-Eye gene? Deerman was describing birds with one copy as having only a few white ocelli, while birds with two copies have most or all of the ocelli white. Based on that, it looks like the father has only one copy of the White-Eye gene. What about your bird's mother? If she also had one (or two) copies of the White-Eye gene, then it's possible that your bird has two copies, which might explain the extension of white in the train.

If the father has a white throat patch and white flights, then (based on what others are saying) he's Dark Pied. That means that his son has inherited one copy of the Pied gene from his dad. What most people call "Pied" (heterozygous for Pied and White) is not the same as "Dark Pied" (homozygous for Pied), so even if the breeder wasn't raising "Pied" birds, he could have some Dark Pied birds in his flock. Perhaps he presumed that those white markings on the throat and flights were simply further effects of the White-Eyed gene, when in reality, they are indications of the birds being homozygous for the Pied gene.

Is the father also Black-Shouldered? If so, does the breeder have pics of him when he was the same age as your bird? I'm still wondering if the extra white is a remnant of juvenile BS plumage. In your pics, the white flecks continue along the back toward the train. I wonder if next year your bird won't have this extra white in the train because by then he'll have lost the last traces of his juvenile BS plumage. Otherwise, I'd presume it's an effect of the variability of the dual expression of the White-Eyed and Pied genes over the effect of a new mutation.

 

[deerman]

Yes i would say he is dark pied midnight bs white eye(single gene) some of the white on his shoulder are because his age ,he will lose those .White eye he may get alot more at 4 or 5 years.....(two white eye gene)

 

[Arbor]

Then I agree with deerman