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[BDutch]

You've got the right idea. There's excess linoleic acid in seed oils. There's evidence that it can increase inflammation in the body.
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In the Netherlands it seems they claim about the opposite about oils and health. Most vegetable oils contain a lot of unsaturated fat. This type of fat is good for health compared with saturated fat .
They advise to limit the use fat/oil with saturated fat like butter, margarines, coconut and palm. Because these increase the cholesterol level in your body.

I have been looking for more info and its true that people often eat unbalanced and eat too much linoleic acids.

From an online newspaper:
People who consume a lot of linoleic acid have an increased risk of the chronic intestinal inflammation ulcerative colitis (UC). This is the conclusion of a sub-study by EPIC.
Linoleic acid is a polyunsaturated fatty acid, which is mainly found in red meat and vegetable oil and margarine. Because a very high consumption of polyunsaturated fatty acids may result in a higher risk of certain forms of cancer, the Dutch Health Council has previously set a maximum intake of these fats of 12 energy percent. That is approximately 33 grams per day for men and 27 grams for women.

From a site about health and vegetarian food
Saying omega 3 fatty oils are healthy/important (in balance):
Vegetable sources of omega 3 fatty acids (linolenic acid) are mainly linseed oil, rapeseed oil, walnuts (oil), soybean oil, linseed, chia seed and hemp seed. Some margarines also contain omega 3 fatty acids, but this is often due to the addition of fish oil.

From wikipedia about linoleic acids
It has long been thought that linoleic acid would be inflammatory, while linolenic acid would actually have an anti-inflammatory effect. These health claims in the field of ingredients in food still raise doubts in science.[ 1]

My own conclusion after reading all articles is that olive oil has the best of both worlds and is not overwhelming expensive. The first pressing is good to use in salads and cooking. But if you need a high temp (frying) its better to use the filtered olive oil (not refined). If you eat little fat in general its okay to use sunflower oil or another seed oil instead, that is good to use on high temps too.

Of course it’s better to avoid crusted fish and chips. Better eat plain fatty true sea-fish, boiled potatoes with a fresh salad or other vegetables.

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[Perris]

I've got bad news for those who think the problem is just one or another lipid, and that they'll avoid them by not eating x, y or z.

"The intramuscular fat from concentrate-fed cows had omega-6 to omega-3 ratios between 8:1 and 15:1. The grass-fed cows had ratios of less than 2:1... [btw, ruminants evolved to eat grass, not grain, of course]... the fatty acid profile of meat reflects what we choose to feed cattle... grass-fed beef, chicken and pork had 3 to 10 times more omega 3 [the good cholesterol] than conventionally raised counterparts... We have unwittingly turned ourselves into a two-legged version of cows eating TMRs (total mixed rations; concentrated feeds) from a fancier trough...

low fat diets proved rather fattening and unhealthy for a lot of us... an increase in obesity and the constellation of ailments that stem from it was not the outcome nutrition professionals sought in backing a dietary shift away from fats... the awkward truth is, low fat diets lower the good kind of cholesterol, especially in women... we've turned supermarkets into feedlots for people."

Montgomery and Bikle, What your food ate, 2022. The research that underpins these quotes is in the book's e-bibliography, available online at www.dig2grow.com, where you can search and pursue it at your leisure.

If you eat conventionally farmed i.e. concentrate-fed meat or fish - which includes your own chickens and eggs if you feed them concentrated so-called 'balanced' 'complete' rations - you are getting the lipid profile of their feed. Which is normally a lot of omega 6 - the bad sort of cholesterol - and little or no omega 3, the good sort. And you do need some fat in your diet. We all do. It is a macronutrient, along with protein and carbs. So just leaving it out is not a good idea.

 

[Shadrach]

I am going to have to go to some of the scientific sources on this. The article you post is interesting but has too much hyperbole for me to find it fully credible. I suspect it is directionally correct’ rather than fully true.
Of course I love that it is pro butter, because an egg fried in oil, whatever oil, is just not the same as an egg fried in butter!!

Well, there is the problem; there are always conflicting studies and opinions.
There is what effect the extraction process has on the oils to consider.
The reason I try and avoid foods with seed oils is one just doesn't know how much of what goes to the stated fat content in many foods.
One has to make a judgement at some point.

 

[Shadrach]

It amazes me what can be in food, but not have to be on the ingredient list.

For instance... honey can be 10% something else (usually, HFCS) and still be sold as "Pure Honey." We had a bee club meeting about extracting, bottling, labeling, and selling honey. The presenter told us this fact and said, "Please don't do this with your honey. Just... don't."

The 10% is the allowance for a pure honey declaration. Many of the cheap supermarket honeys may have much more sugar added.

 

[no fly zone]

I am going to have to go to some of the scientific sources on this. The article you post is interesting but has too much hyperbole for me to find it fully credible. I suspect it is directionally correct’ rather than fully true.
Of course I love that it is pro butter, because an egg fried in oil, whatever oil, is just not the same as an egg fried in butter!!

Butter is great, as long as it's real butter. We tend to buy butter made from grass fed A2 cows' milk.

 

[Perris]

what does A2 mean?

 

[no fly zone]

Well, there is the problem; there are always conflicting studies and opinions.
There is what effect the extraction process has on the oils to consider.
The reason I try and avoid foods with seed oils is one just doesn't know how much of what goes to the stated fat content in many foods.
One has to make a judgement at some point.

And another problem is that a lot of these organizations have been compromised due to the almighty dollar (or whatever monetary unit is used in your location) and while they act like they have the consumers' best interests in mind, they are beholden to their corporate masters.

Like the American Heart Association for example: https://www.heart.org/en/healthy-living/healthy-eating/eat-smart/fats/healthy-cooking-oils

Of all these oils listed, only olive is good for you.

 

[no fly zone]

what does A2 mean?

https://extension.umn.edu/dairy-milking-cows/a2-milk-and-a2-genetics

 

[Molpet]

Yeah I am old enough to remember when they said margarine was better than butter... and then reversed it. I quit eating either back then. Nowadays I do use a little goat butter on fresh corn on the cob for example. It's very expensive compared to cows butter.

I was using coconut oil and then they were saying it was bad.

I mainly use EV olive oil or nothing

 

[BDutch]

Why do you chop the leaves?

Mine get them chopped too quite often. Because I use our e-mower to collect them (with a little grass).

Your birthday? Happy birthday!

Yes. @Shadrach , whose bday?
Happy birthday anyway, because if it isnt you, it’s probably family.

Well, there is the problem; there are always conflicting studies and opinions.

One of our health institutes warned to be careful with the info you find on internet and never to believe influencers. They often give harmful food advices.

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The reason I try and avoid foods with seed oils is one just doesn't know how much of what goes to the stated fat content in many foods.

Are you speaking of ready made food and comfort food? Because the food industry loves to use the cheapest ingredients and you are right it’s better to avoid them.

The seed oils I have bought (in the past) was mainly organic sunflower oil (2 €/liter). But after reading all your advices I definitely try the other veggie oils like arachide oil rice oil (both 5 €/liter) for frying. The avocado oil costs 16 €/liter and is rather expensive). The olive I buy cost about 13€ /l.

Butter is great, as long as it's real butter.

I usually buy organic so called ‘grass’ butter, when taste is important . (Pancakes, toast, bakery, …) From cows that free range in the meadow. Healthier than the cheaper milk from cows that stay indoors. It has another smoother structure than the cheaper butter too.