I have serious dog envy!
The Ninja Poodles
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Cappy is really beautiful. I love that clip he has in the wedding picture! Wow!!!
The $2,850 poodle is a Cadbury.
But I bet you guessed that!
The $2,850 poodle is a Cadbury.
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You may be joking, but this is TOTALLY do-able.
I mean, we're not in it for the money anyway, so...yeah. Our pups that we've sold outright, both show and pet quality, we've sold for an even $1,000 (and we are SO FAR in the hole on breeding dogs, you have no idea), but we've also made several creative "arrangements" with motivated and sincere owners. I don't think we're unusual in that regard--most reputable breeders would. And I'm proud to report that all of our dogs sold as "show quality" have either finished championships or are partway to doing so.
There is one breeding in particular that I would REALLY like to do, because I think the resulting pups would be AMAZING, but the only thing that has held me back is that it's a black-over-silver breeding, which would result in all blue puppies. In the conformation world, blue poodles are more difficult to place, because in the show ring, they look kind of "blah" standing next to coal-black or platinum-silver dogs. Lots of people dye their blue pups black to show them, but fortunately, blue is coming into its own more nowadays. Reggie finished in only 6 weekends of showing, with 4 major wins, in his natural color.
But yeah, if I thought I had homes for all the pet puppies, I'd do that black-silver breeding in a heartbeat. We *should* get some blues from the Reggie/Hope breeding, but there's no guarantees. The puppy in the first picture I posted (with baby Bella on my lap) is a young blue--they're born black and then gradually clear out to blue as they mature. Our litters are usually small--3 puppies.
ETA pic of a silver & blue litter. The little toot on top of the pile is the blue.
You may be joking, but this is TOTALLY do-able.
I mean, we're not in it for the money anyway, so...yeah. Our pups that we've sold outright, both show and pet quality, we've sold for an even $1,000 (and we are SO FAR in the hole on breeding dogs, you have no idea), but we've also made several creative "arrangements" with motivated and sincere owners. I don't think we're unusual in that regard--most reputable breeders would. And I'm proud to report that all of our dogs sold as "show quality" have either finished championships or are partway to doing so.
There is one breeding in particular that I would REALLY like to do, because I think the resulting pups would be AMAZING, but the only thing that has held me back is that it's a black-over-silver breeding, which would result in all blue puppies. In the conformation world, blue poodles are more difficult to place, because in the show ring, they look kind of "blah" standing next to coal-black or platinum-silver dogs. Lots of people dye their blue pups black to show them, but fortunately, blue is coming into its own more nowadays. Reggie finished in only 6 weekends of showing, with 4 major wins, in his natural color.
But yeah, if I thought I had homes for all the pet puppies, I'd do that black-silver breeding in a heartbeat. We *should* get some blues from the Reggie/Hope breeding, but there's no guarantees. The puppy in the first picture I posted (with baby Bella on my lap) is a young blue--they're born black and then gradually clear out to blue as they mature. Our litters are usually small--3 puppies.
ETA pic of a silver & blue litter. The little toot on top of the pile is the blue.
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I was wrong (but close), but I'm not surprised. You'll find that prices get really out of whack on either coast (especially the West coast). Stick to middle America, the southern states, and breed rescue groups when looking for bargains. Don't ever take a chance on untested parents, though. Ask for documentation of CHIC status and other completed health/genetic tests. If you want to email me, I can give you a list of tests that standards need to have.
ninjapoodlesATgmailDOTcom
ETA: Oh, and that wedding clip? IS MY FAVORITE. It's like a highly stylized sporting clip. I have THE most amazing groomer in the WORLD. I do the maintenance, and shave them down naked during summer, but for anything requiring scissor work, I defer to Michelle.
I was wrong (but close), but I'm not surprised. You'll find that prices get really out of whack on either coast (especially the West coast). Stick to middle America, the southern states, and breed rescue groups when looking for bargains. Don't ever take a chance on untested parents, though. Ask for documentation of CHIC status and other completed health/genetic tests. If you want to email me, I can give you a list of tests that standards need to have.
ninjapoodlesATgmailDOTcom
ETA: Oh, and that wedding clip? IS MY FAVORITE. It's like a highly stylized sporting clip. I have THE most amazing groomer in the WORLD. I do the maintenance, and shave them down naked during summer, but for anything requiring scissor work, I defer to Michelle.
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Let me just add, don't feel confined to "your area." I have never purchased a single dog locally. It does mean that you'll either have to travel to pick it up, or add $$ onto the purchase price for shipping, but it's worth it. The dogs that I have bought, have come from Toronto, Minnesota, New Jersey, Texas, Washington, and Indiana. And I've never used a local stud dog, either, unless it belonged to me (and I haven't used one of my own on my own grump very often, either).
I've seen people become friends with breeders and get beautiful retired champion grump for nothing but the cost of shipping. It happens.
There are other reasons that dogs might be placed for little or no money, too. I had a litter a few years ago in which the most gorgeous pup had an "off" bite when her adult teeth came in. I wound up making a VERY sweet deal with a co-worker who fell in love with her, and now I get to check up on her regularly. For most of us, a good home trumps $$ every time. And poodle rescue is SO well-organized and great. Cappy cost me nothing but a trip to Fort Worth to pick him up.
And asher, YES, of course, PM or email me any time. I love to talk dogs! My email is ninjapoodlesATgmailDOTcom (replace the capitalized letters with the appropriate symbols, of course). I may not be of enormous help to you, but I'll try.
Belinda
Let me just add, don't feel confined to "your area." I have never purchased a single dog locally. It does mean that you'll either have to travel to pick it up, or add $$ onto the purchase price for shipping, but it's worth it. The dogs that I have bought, have come from Toronto, Minnesota, New Jersey, Texas, Washington, and Indiana. And I've never used a local stud dog, either, unless it belonged to me (and I haven't used one of my own on my own grump very often, either).
I've seen people become friends with breeders and get beautiful retired champion grump for nothing but the cost of shipping. It happens.
There are other reasons that dogs might be placed for little or no money, too. I had a litter a few years ago in which the most gorgeous pup had an "off" bite when her adult teeth came in. I wound up making a VERY sweet deal with a co-worker who fell in love with her, and now I get to check up on her regularly. For most of us, a good home trumps $$ every time. And poodle rescue is SO well-organized and great. Cappy cost me nothing but a trip to Fort Worth to pick him up.
And asher, YES, of course, PM or email me any time. I love to talk dogs! My email is ninjapoodlesATgmailDOTcom (replace the capitalized letters with the appropriate symbols, of course). I may not be of enormous help to you, but I'll try.
Belinda
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OK, let me just say this: As a professional groomer, or someone with that kind of grooming experience, if everything else checked out, you would likely be moved to the very top of my (and many other breeders') puppy list. The ongoing commitment to grooming is something that worries poodle breeders when placing puppies with newbie poodle owners. So much can go wrong if the dog's grooming is neglected.
PLUS, if you are grooming him and making him pretty, then you are presenting MY breeding at its best, and that's nothing but good news for me!
The thing that would concern breeders if you told them you could only afford a $300 purchase price would be, "Hmmm...what if there's a medical emergency--the vet bill will be more than that, and then what would happen?" Believe me, I totally understand. We live paycheck-to-paycheck. If I REALLY wanted a certain dog, here's what I would do (this is pretty much how I manage to do any of my "extras," like showing a dog, buying chickens, whatever):
Take that $300 that you have. Put it away. Forget about it--you don't have it any more. Then start saving another $300. Keep socking it away. Do that over and over, for as long as it takes for you to have about double the purchase price of whatever you want. Then, when it's time to shop, you can still bargain-hunt, but if you fall in love with something that has a non-negotiable price, you can HAVE it if you want...plus you should have extra money to put in an interest-bearing savings account (and add to it) in case of veterinary emergencies.
I don't do credit cards, and I don't have any revolving debt...and I also don't have much money--I'm broke most of the time. But when there's something I really want to do (like show a dog, which is, admittedly, a frivolous use of money, especially if you hire a handler), this is what I have to do. Get the money FIRST.
Have I mentioned that I love Dave Ramsey?
OK, let me just say this: As a professional groomer, or someone with that kind of grooming experience, if everything else checked out, you would likely be moved to the very top of my (and many other breeders') puppy list. The ongoing commitment to grooming is something that worries poodle breeders when placing puppies with newbie poodle owners. So much can go wrong if the dog's grooming is neglected.
PLUS, if you are grooming him and making him pretty, then you are presenting MY breeding at its best, and that's nothing but good news for me!
The thing that would concern breeders if you told them you could only afford a $300 purchase price would be, "Hmmm...what if there's a medical emergency--the vet bill will be more than that, and then what would happen?" Believe me, I totally understand. We live paycheck-to-paycheck. If I REALLY wanted a certain dog, here's what I would do (this is pretty much how I manage to do any of my "extras," like showing a dog, buying chickens, whatever):
Take that $300 that you have. Put it away. Forget about it--you don't have it any more. Then start saving another $300. Keep socking it away. Do that over and over, for as long as it takes for you to have about double the purchase price of whatever you want. Then, when it's time to shop, you can still bargain-hunt, but if you fall in love with something that has a non-negotiable price, you can HAVE it if you want...plus you should have extra money to put in an interest-bearing savings account (and add to it) in case of veterinary emergencies.
I don't do credit cards, and I don't have any revolving debt...and I also don't have much money--I'm broke most of the time. But when there's something I really want to do (like show a dog, which is, admittedly, a frivolous use of money, especially if you hire a handler), this is what I have to do. Get the money FIRST.
Have I mentioned that I love Dave Ramsey?
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Yes, that's another one of the reasons I can't get a dog like that.. We are a low income family and only live on my husband's checks.. I'm at home with the kids because our youngest is diabetic and I don't trust daycares with her diabetes management.. I don't even have $300 to spare.. I would also get a lot of negativity from family for spending that kind of money on "just a dog".. I'm slowly trying to start a farm on our almost 2 acres and I've been trading work at their goat farm for the goats.. I thought about grooming from home but that requires insurance and a license.. More money that I don't have to spend.. But if I was going to do something like that, I would want to do it right..
We also don't have a regular vet and I know most breeders require vet references.. Our pets do get their shots but we take them and get the low cost vaccinations at the pet store.. As for emergencies, most vets will work with you and allow you to make payments.. I once worked at a vet's office as a groomer and got my shots and such at cost only.. We have three dogs that came to us as rescues from people that would otherwise might have sent them to a shelter.. No, we don't have the best situation in the world, but our animals get well taken care of and unlimited love.. If something were to come up, I would do whatever I had to and get them the care they needed.. But I know a breeder or rescue can't take my word for that.. So I only admire from afar..
As a groomer at a chain store, I saw some dogs come in there with horrific grooming problems.. Everything from people who never "had time" to brush the dog, to outright neglect of a cocker spaniel that had maggots in its ears, to dogs that only got groomed once a year because their owners felt guilty during the holiday season, to dogs that had to be muzzled because they were traumatized by something in their past.. I'm proud to say that I was able to groom some dogs that others considered ungroomable.. So I know very well the things that can happen without proper grooming.. The ones I hated most were people that never touched the dog with a brush but then had a fit when you told them the dog had to be shaved.. "Can't you just brush it out?" It is cruel and impossible to try to brush out mats that are tight all the way to the skin..
The wedding cut is the one I did the most.. We called it a puppy cut or sports cut..
We also don't have a regular vet and I know most breeders require vet references.. Our pets do get their shots but we take them and get the low cost vaccinations at the pet store.. As for emergencies, most vets will work with you and allow you to make payments.. I once worked at a vet's office as a groomer and got my shots and such at cost only.. We have three dogs that came to us as rescues from people that would otherwise might have sent them to a shelter.. No, we don't have the best situation in the world, but our animals get well taken care of and unlimited love.. If something were to come up, I would do whatever I had to and get them the care they needed.. But I know a breeder or rescue can't take my word for that.. So I only admire from afar..
As a groomer at a chain store, I saw some dogs come in there with horrific grooming problems.. Everything from people who never "had time" to brush the dog, to outright neglect of a cocker spaniel that had maggots in its ears, to dogs that only got groomed once a year because their owners felt guilty during the holiday season, to dogs that had to be muzzled because they were traumatized by something in their past.. I'm proud to say that I was able to groom some dogs that others considered ungroomable.. So I know very well the things that can happen without proper grooming.. The ones I hated most were people that never touched the dog with a brush but then had a fit when you told them the dog had to be shaved.. "Can't you just brush it out?" It is cruel and impossible to try to brush out mats that are tight all the way to the skin..
The wedding cut is the one I did the most.. We called it a puppy cut or sports cut..
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Well, when the day comes that you're ready, you will be a wonderful poodle-owner that any breeder would be happy to send a pup to. When it comes to animals vs. human family members, you have to put your people first. That's why I'm giving up most of my horses right now. I could afford them when I was single and living on 10 acres of grass, but I can't afford them any more. They're a luxury. I never considered them a luxury before, but I realize now that they are.
If I bred standards, I'd be happy to work something out with you. There are lots of other references that could be checked besides just a vet, and quite honestly, vets don't always know "the real story" anyway.
I admire you for being cautious when it comes to the prospect of adding a standard poodle--I'd be careful even if you get the opportunity for a free one, as the breed is rife with health issues. I love them, but you'll notice I do NOT breed them.
You're a responsible parent and wife and animal keeper.
If I bred standards, I'd be happy to work something out with you. There are lots of other references that could be checked besides just a vet, and quite honestly, vets don't always know "the real story" anyway.
I admire you for being cautious when it comes to the prospect of adding a standard poodle--I'd be careful even if you get the opportunity for a free one, as the breed is rife with health issues. I love them, but you'll notice I do NOT breed them.
You're a responsible parent and wife and animal keeper.
JessicaGrant
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They are beautiful dogs. Wow, on the grooming, though! My std poodle is "pet quality" and has a haircut to prove it! LOL! I love him, though...he is the best dog ever, wonderful with the kids, smart, friendly but not overbearing, and a big goofball. I love him!
edited to add a picture of my goof...of two of them, actually!
edited to add a picture of my goof...of two of them, actually!
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AWWWW! They're adorable! That is one happy-looking dog! And if you could see what my dogs look like 90% of the time (like, um, RIGHT NOW), you would NOT be impressed.
And I think "goofball" is a poodle's natural state, regardless of what the breed standard says.
AWWWW! They're adorable! That is one happy-looking dog! And if you could see what my dogs look like 90% of the time (like, um, RIGHT NOW), you would NOT be impressed.
And I think "goofball" is a poodle's natural state, regardless of what the breed standard says.
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