What's the purpose for pecking order?

[RoseMarie1]

Mongrels. I have had purebreds but much prefer mongrels. They come from quite a spectrum of genetics and breeds, but my experience has been that some things hold true no matter how mixed the genetics are.
Lack of vitality. Specifically, lack of peripheral circulation. An adult should have a red crest, face and wattles, unless it's enduring a harsh moult, is sick or injured, also sometimes brooding does it too, or of a breed that has darker skin. You're right, they need something, or several somethings, to bring them up to standard. This is another controversial issue because many people think perpetually pink-crested adults are healthy because they're not dropping like flies and are on an approved 'complete feed'. As I've mentioned before, malnutrition takes a long time to kill in its weaker forms.

There are many herbs and spices and feedstuffs that will assist circulation. Kelp is a carminative, meaning it will redden their combs etc by virtue of increasing health until the peripheral circulation is at its prime. Kelp's an endocrinal regulator and thyroid aid, and will prevent 'overmating' unless you have a really nasty rooster.

Also, when you've been feeding kelp for a few generations, it will increase their basic health with each generation until your week-old chicks have red crests too. They'll develop quicker as well, and it makes sexing so much easier.

Another thing is that it is known to cause grey or white hair in many aged humans and animals to return to its normal color. This also happens in even old chickens by revealing any hidden colors that people thought they'd bred out of a breed. If they're not on kelp, their true phenotype is not showing. Many purebred breeders would be pretty horrified if they saw what's really going on in their genetics.

Thank you! That is so interesting AND makes me wonder IF the kelp wouldn't help me to since I am having thyroid issues big time!
I've never heard of Mongrels.
Might have to get me some kelp and try that for myself and some for the chickens to. Thank you again.

 

[Beekissed]

A mongrel is another word for mutt...crossbred, mixed breed, etc. My granny always called them a Heinz 57...Heinz ketchup used to advertise they used 57 different kinds of tomatoes to make their ketchup and so when a dog had many different breeds in his genetics, they'd say he was a Heinz 57.

 

[RoseMarie1]

A mongrel is another word for mutt...crossbred, mixed breed, etc. My granny always called them a Heinz 57...Heinz ketchup used to advertise they used 57 different kinds of tomatoes to make their ketchup and so when a dog had many different breeds in his genetics, they'd say he was a Heinz 57.

ohhhhhhh that's what we call them to Bee, Heinz 57. Never heard them called Mongrel before. So neat to learn what others use in word terms.

 

[goodb]

Mongrels. I have had purebreds but much prefer mongrels. They come from quite a spectrum of genetics and breeds, but my experience has been that some things hold true no matter how mixed the genetics are.
Lack of vitality. Specifically, lack of peripheral circulation. An adult should have a red crest, face and wattles, unless it's enduring a harsh moult, is sick or injured, also sometimes brooding does it too, or of a breed that has darker skin. You're right, they need something, or several somethings, to bring them up to standard. This is another controversial issue because many people think perpetually pink-crested adults are healthy because they're not dropping like flies and are on an approved 'complete feed'. As I've mentioned before, malnutrition takes a long time to kill in its weaker forms.

There are many herbs and spices and feedstuffs that will assist circulation. Kelp is a carminative, meaning it will redden their combs etc by virtue of increasing health until the peripheral circulation is at its prime. Kelp's an endocrinal regulator and thyroid aid, and will prevent 'overmating' unless you have a really nasty rooster.

Also, when you've been feeding kelp for a few generations, it will increase their basic health with each generation until your week-old chicks have red crests too. They'll develop quicker as well, and it makes sexing so much easier.

Another thing is that it is known to cause grey or white hair in many aged humans and animals to return to its normal color. This also happens in even old chickens by revealing any hidden colors that people thought they'd bred out of a breed. If they're not on kelp, their true phenotype is not showing. Many purebred breeders would be pretty horrified if they saw what's really going on in their genetics.

Another statement about the benefits of kelp. I'm going to start researching. Thank you!

 

[Sandstorm495]

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I've never heard of Heinz57, but Mongrel, yes.
Never heard a chicken of mixed breeds been called a Mongrel though!
And also, thank you chooks4life, I will definitely think over using the kelp!

 

[chooks4life]

Great to hear you folks are keen on trying kelp, it's always been a great helper to me and my animals. It's known to raise IQs and I believe it helps restore lost positive instincts and calms animals since any animal feeling its nutritional needs are met is calmer. It's sold in produce stores around here, raw and dried, powdered and granulated. The average dose per hen per day is one pinch. Humans can take more. It takes a while to show the results but I've experimented with it and without it, and won't bother rearing them without it again. Best wishes.

 

[Beekissed]

I've used it for my loose minerals for sheep and cows, just mixed with coarse salt. I found it to be perfect for that and I never really used anything else. I also gave some to the chooks when they wanted it, but without the salt. One 50 lb bag goes a long, long way and costs about a dollar a pound around here...the cost advantage is that the livestock only eat it when they need minerals and don't gorge on it like they do other mineral mixes that have molasses in them to get them to eat them.

When you first put it out they dive into it right away but that goes away after the first day or so and after that they merely nibble on it to keep their needs in balance.

 

[RoseMarie1]

I've used it for my loose minerals for sheep and cows, just mixed with coarse salt. I found it to be perfect for that and I never really used anything else. I also gave some to the chooks when they wanted it, but without the salt. One 50 lb bag goes a long, long way and costs about a dollar a pound around here...the cost advantage is that the livestock only eat it when they need minerals and don't gorge on it like they do other mineral mixes that have molasses in them to get them to eat them.

When you first put it out they dive into it right away but that goes away after the first day or so and after that they merely nibble on it to keep their needs in balance.

oh so you can buy kelp in large bags at the feed store to? Will have to check into that! Thank you Chooks and Bee!!!

 

[RoseMarie1]

Great to hear you folks are keen on trying kelp, it's always been a great helper to me and my animals. It's known to raise IQs and I believe it helps restore lost positive instincts and calms animals since any animal feeling its nutritional needs are met is calmer. It's sold in produce stores around here, raw and dried, powdered and granulated. The average dose per hen per day is one pinch. Humans can take more. It takes a while to show the results but I've experimented with it and without it, and won't bother rearing them without it again. Best wishes.

oh yes I am keen on trying all sorts of vitamins and natural things that will help my health. Thank you!!!

 

[Beekissed]

oh so you can buy kelp in large bags at the feed store to? Will have to check into that! Thank you Chooks and Bee!!!

Rose, where I lived at the time had never heard of it but they were all too happy to order it for me, which was cheaper than I could have ordered it online. See if they will order some for you if they don't have it and go low...I ordered that big of a bag because I had sheep and a few cows, but it lasted for years! Most health food stores will have kelp but you will walk out of the store missing some body parts..if you can walk.

If your feed store is TSC, I doubt you will convince them to order it for you...I deal with real feed stores that grind their own feeds for the most part, so they aren't part of a large franchise and have more freedom about how they service customers.