When does curled toe paralysis become permanent?

[Nksg75]

hi I have a 8-9 week old chick who has curly toe paralysis. she has had it for about a week. I've been giving her vitamins (polyvisol and Vit B complex)and she has slowly improved. She originally was so bad that both feet were curled, and she was walking on her haunches(knees). however the one leg (foot) is still curled and I want to know when can I tell if it's actually become a permanent thing?
I tried putting a booty on it to straighten it out but that seems just to aggravate her and stress her out.
I don't have any expierence with this, so how do you tell if there will be no more improvements?
Thanks

 

[EggSighted4Life]

Sorry to hear you have a chick with trouble.

Have you looked into Marek's? People often confuse Marek's for a vitamin deficit. You need vitamin E and selenium is my understanding...

I don't know when something becomes permanent. I do know the longer it stays like that the more the muscles wanna stay there too. and they become weaker and sore to stretch. So if not the booty... maybe some physical therapy of sorts, stretching the legs and such... Have you tried a chicken sling to get the weight off her feet? Some ideas..

Hope your chick recovers!

 

[PeckThePioneerChicken]

The curled toes I have seen we're on newly hatched chicks and they usually stay curled after 24 hours out of the egg, when the bones harden. I have used tape boots and it is well quickly.... I hope it gets better

 

[Eggcessive]

Curled under toes and walking on hocks is a sign of vitamin B (riboflavin) deficiency. It can also be a sign of Mareks disease, but treating for riboflavin deficiency is what I would do for a couple of weeks. Most people have seen improvement within days to a week, but the sooner the riboflavin is given the better. Beef liver, ground beef, vitamin B complex tablets, and nutritional yeast are all good sources. What are you feeding your chickens?

 

[Eggcessive]

Here is a good article to read:
http://www.thepoultrysite.com/publications/6/diseases-of-poultry/217/vitamin-b2-deficiency/

https://www.merckvetmanual.com/poul...ement-poultry/vitamin-deficiencies-in-poultry

 

[Nksg75]

Curled under toes and walking on hocks is a sign of vitamin B (riboflavin) deficiency. It can also be a sign of Mareks disease, but treating for riboflavin deficiency is what I would do for a couple of weeks. Most people have seen improvement within days to a week, but the sooner the riboflavin is given the better. Beef liver, ground beef, vitamin B complex tablets, and nutritional yeast are all good sources. What are you feeding your chickens?

I have them all on Purina Layena crumbles(medicated)
I hatched all of them myself, and vaccinated them all for Mereks(yes, I realize the vaccine is not a guarantee)
This chick developed this around 7 weeks. She/he was fine till I noticed she was just favoring its leg. I thought " oh, maby someone landed wrong after jumping down from a roost".
Here is a video before I brought her/him to the house with a couple of buddies:

 

[Nksg75]

Sorry to hear you have a chick with trouble.

Have you looked into Marek's? People often confuse Marek's for a vitamin deficit. You need vitamin E and selenium is my understanding...

I don't know when something becomes permanent. I do know the longer it stays like that the more the muscles wanna stay there too. and they become weaker and sore to stretch. So if not the booty... maybe some physical therapy of sorts, stretching the legs and such... Have you tried a chicken sling to get the weight off her feet? Some ideas..
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Hope your chick recovers!

Ok thank you for that.
I have tried making the booties, to no avail.

 

[Eggcessive]

I would stop the Layena now, and place them on either chick starter or Flock Raiser. Layena has 4 times the calcium they need. When they start laying eggs, you can restart the Layena or other layer feed. When they eat that much calcium as chicks, they can possibly later develop gout and kidney problems.
Give the extra riboflavin for now. Hopefully, you will see some improvement soon. Use the liver or water soluble vitamins in the water.

 

[Nksg75]

I would stop the Layena now, and place them on either chick starter or Flock Raiser. Layena has 4 times the calcium they need. When they start laying eggs, you can restart the Layena or other layer feed. When they eat that much calcium as chicks, they can possibly later develop gout and kidney problems.
Give the extra riboflavin for now. Hopefully, you will see some improvement soon. Use the liver or water soluble vitamins in the water.

I am sorry, I guess I forgot to mention the purina medicated crumbles is for chicks.
I agree, I would never put the chicks on a layers feed.
Here is a picture of what they are on.

What I didn't realize is that I should have omitted the Layena part. Layena seems to be for layers. I just thought the purina Layena all goes together as the title. My bad!!
Anyway, this is what they are all on.

 

[Nksg75]

Curled under toes and walking on hocks is a sign of vitamin B (riboflavin) deficiency. It can also be a sign of Mareks disease, but treating for riboflavin deficiency is what I would do for a couple of weeks. Most people have seen improvement within days to a week, but the sooner the riboflavin is given the better. Beef liver, ground beef, vitamin B complex tablets, and nutritional yeast are all good sources. What are you feeding your chickens?

Do you think giving her both Polyvisol, and liquid vit B complex is too much?
I have read somewhere that chickens can't absorb all the nutrients if given in larger doses, and will instead just be excreted through the urates.
I think multiple times a day may be better that just 2 large doses of both the liquid vitamins I mention earlier.