Young rooster - labored breathing and purple comb

jillianjo

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I have an 8 month old Belgian d’anver bantam rooster who is having some issues.

Signs and symptoms:
- heavy labored breathing (and occasionally a sound almost like a click when he breathes, more in his throat/mouth than in the lungs, might just be his tongue)
- purple comb (sometimes darker purple, sometimes more red like normal)
- pretty lethargic, he will occasionally be a bit more alert when we walk into the room or pick him up, but he has been getting more and more sleepy eyed as the days go on
- often seems to like standing more than laying down, I’m not sure if it’s easier for him to breath while standing perhaps? But he does lay down and sleep quite a bit too
- sometimes has drooping wings when he’s standing
- still eating and drinking, though he seems to get tired easily after eating or drinking
- poop seems normal
- he seems very thin, his breastbone is very prominent and he seems to have very little breast muscle


Treatment so far:
- we noticed his odd breathing 3 days ago but didn’t think much of it
- 2 days ago we noticed he was lethargic outside so we brought him inside and realized his comb was purple
- now we have him isolated in the bathtub with towels down
- have put Nutri Drench in his water
- had some amoxicillin laying around so we’ve been giving him that twice a day mixed with some yogurt in case it’s a respiratory infection
- have checked for mites/lice and also looked for ruptured air sacs, but didn’t find anything
- no sign of ascitis
- his eyes seem clear
- I haven’t seen any discharge from the nose or mouth, nor any sneezing
- I haven’t been able to look in his throat (his mouth is so small and he absolutely not like when we try to pry his mouth open, he has enough energy to fight us in that regard)
- crop is not hard, though it doesn’t seem particularly soft and squishy either. Feels normal as far as I can tell

Any thoughts? He’s giving me mixed signals because he seems so tired and breathing so heavy and clearly doesn’t have good circulation, but then sometimes he seems eager to eat and drink. But he’s also so thin that I wonder if he’s been sick for a while and it’s just flown under the radar. Sometimes he seems more alert and will walk around a little, but other times he just stands and breathes heavy and dozes.

My first thought was a respiratory infection, hence the antibiotics. But I suppose it could be a heart problem? Does that happen to such young chickens?

He’s not vaccinated for Marek’s so I know that’s a possibility as well, I just don’t know how to distinguish the symptoms from any other diseases.


Here’s a video where you can see his heavy breathing. This is at night just now so he seems pretty tired, but during the day he often pants a little harder with his mouth open. His comb isn’t too purple in this video but sometimes gets very dark.
 
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My first two thoughts were same as yours, respiratory or heart, and sounds like you are doing good things in that regard.

A third thought: in the video I noticed a black spot on his comb. Could be many things, but reminded me of another case I saw of labored breathing and weight loss. There was the wet version of fowl pox going on, and a lesion in the throat was blocking the airway and causing difficulty swallowing. If you can look in there and you see that, a Qtip with iodine can be used to try to rub it down/off and make more space.

For looking in his throat, a tightly wrapped towel can be helpful. I force open the beak and stick my finger in the side (or if I need to do more than look, a little wooden cuticle stick). Some really fight, then I give them a 20 sec break and talk to them kindly yet firmly and then try again. They eventually realize I'm not going to give up and then they give in and are still. You need a flashlight or headlamp, preferably not LED. He might need a break depending on his breathing.

Also, after putting a little water on his pellet feed, let it sit and break down the pellet, and stir, dampening just enough to be light and fluffy - this would be easiest for him to eat. Also maybe he'd eat scrambled eggs diced very small.
 
I don't have many other ideas but I can confirm heart/respiratory failure can happen even in young birds, i lost a duckling at 3 month like that. But it had ascites and was lower energy and slower to grow than the others but not particularly thin so yours possibly has something else?

Checking for sores or other obstructions sounds like a good idea. Could it be parasites? Worms could block off the throat and explain weight loss?
 
Is he the only rooster? Could he have been kept from food and water by the other chickens or rooster? He is having very labored and rapid breathing. Does his face look swollen over his eye? I would get some Tylosin powder from your vet or online, but that would be almost a week in shipping. That could treat MG, a respiratory infection. How is your coop ventilation, and is there any mold from damp bedding or food? Certain respiratory viruses can cause gasping and a blue comb. Worming might be something I would do since capillary worms can be dangerous. Lastly, if he has a heart problem, that could be causing problems.
 
Is he the only rooster? Could he have been kept from food and water by the other chickens or rooster? He is having very labored and rapid breathing. Does his face look swollen over his eye? I would get some Tylosin powder from your vet or online, but that would be almost a week in shipping. That could treat MG, a respiratory infection. How is your coop ventilation, and is there any mold from damp bedding or food? Certain respiratory viruses can cause gasping and a blue comb. Worming might be something I would do since capillary worms can be dangerous. Lastly, if he has a heart problem, that could be causing problems.

He’s not the only rooster, but he has his own “mini flock” of bantam hens within the main flock. Our other rooster and full size hens don’t generally bother him or the other bantams, especially when free ranging.

As for their environment: We live in Arizona so I don’t think mold would be an issue in our dry climate, and we haven’t had rain (or humidity) lately at all. Their coop is basically a large open air dog kennel (roofed and reinforced) so ventilation isn’t an issue and it doesn’t get that cold here. It’s also blocked from wind by our house and concrete block fence, so while it is open air it’s also fairly sheltered. They free range on our property during the day.

His face actually does look a bit swollen above the eyes. It took me a while to find a clear picture of his face from before he was sick, but I can definitely see swelling on the eyelid when I compare it to the old photo. Does this indicate something specific?

I will look into getting some Tylosin, I’ve been wanting to keep it on hand anyway, so even if it gets here too late for him it will make me feel better to have it. The vets that see chickens in my area are super expensive but I’ve seen that I can order it on the Jedd’s website so I’ll see if I can expedite it. How does the dosage work for that? I saw the instruction say to just mix into the water? How do I guarantee he gets enough in his system? (I’ve given oral medications to chickens with 1ml syringes before, so if that’s something I end up having to do I already have the supplies for it.)
 
Tylosin dosage is easy, just add 1 tsp to a gallon of water. They drink the correct dosage for their weight when drinking normally. Swelling on face or eyelids is a sign of possible MG. Look for any eye bubbles or foam in the eye.
 
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Tylosin dosage is easy, just add 1 tsp to a gallon of water. They drink the correct dosage for their weight when drinking normally. Swelling on face or eyelids is a sign of possible MG. Look for any eye bubbles or foam in the eye.
Well the Tylosin came in the mail pretty quick, it got here yesterday and he drank plenty of the medicated water in the last 24 hours.

This morning his comb didn’t seem as purple as before and his breathing wasn’t quite as labored, but he was getting more and more lethargic as today went on. At one point I picked him up to change his bedding, he seemed totally fine (or normal for the last couple days at least), but when I set him back down he was incredibly limp. I got him to stand up and he stayed upright but his head hung low. Like he couldn’t hold his own head up. Sometimes he would twist his neck to the side. After about 10 minutes he couldn’t stand up anymore. I wrapped him in a towel and held him till he passed away about 30 minutes later.

So at this point I have a few questions:

Is it possible it was MG but it was too far progressed for the Tylosin to help? I weighed his water dish to make sure he was drinking enough and he definitely drank enough to get the recommended 50 mg per pound per day.

If it possibly was MG, do I need to dose the rest of my flock with the Tylosin? The sick rooster was isolated for the last few days, but he was showing symptoms when he was with the rest of the flock before we noticed he was sick. As far as I can tell no one else is showing symptoms.

OR, if it was likely not MG, is it possible for Tylosin to worsen other issues? It was almost exactly 24 hours after he started the Tylosin that he took a turn, so I feel bad if that hastened his end.
 
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I am sorry for your loss. I would try to get a necropsy on his body, if you can keep it cold, but not freeze it. Wrap in 2 plastic garbage bags and keep in refrigerator or in a cooler on ice. Call your state vet lab and tell them it is a backyard chickens. Most vet labs are closed on weekends. They can test his remains for MG and other diseases. Here is a list of state vets to contact:
https://www.metzerfarms.com/poultry...xJlNx2sAV14Pn_D3u0o7t6tpfDbMskSvAomHCJZzW0V1V
 

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