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persistence is key my friend, there will always be doubters. A hobby is ment to consume time so keep doing you.

saipan gamefowl or Satsumadori are a graded malay breed and takes years to develop. If you care to revive the line it would require the original lines and four years of breeding. The issue you will run into as I did was finding a quality hakuro/jap long tail. They have been bred more for plumage...

Straight, marsh butcher I was told...

3/4 madigin 1/4 Harold Brown butcher stag Shubin hatch stag

he is molting but here he is...

Thank you sir...

I see sir, you are a wealth of knowlage so please share so I might find a breeding directive.

He just told me there is 1/4 Harold brown in the stag(Madigin over Harold brown, then back to the Madigin cock), but the hen is pure. Is Harold brown a grey line? He told me the Harold Browns shuffle harder but at 1/4 that is his show stock and the pure is brood.

He claimed he paid 2k for his blood cock some years ago. Didn't think much of it as folk always say things like that.

He did say a lot of his birds are white legged but this stag is inbred. The pullet is white legged, but I like dark legged birds. He is molting so when he feathers out I will take pics.

So I just got a pair of Madigin greys can anyone school me on the line? They are blue legged and a darker grey

Pyle is a grate set color for any line I think.

Yeah they are graded malay. Now I just got a import or a pure malay line from the Philippines.(see oriental gamefowl thread)

Hennie Gator Aseel imported stag... Black over yellow legs and parrot beaked.

yeah she is with my lemon84, that line started here but did better abroad. My line is from Puerto Rico, bred for speed. The line is dead game and my birds has been pitted in the islands. Problem is they are topically 3-4 to 3-8 and that is too small for the current trend.

thai are malay birds it is more of a classification than the name of a particular line...

there are several line of malay and that is a malay bird...

miner?

you keep muff?

If you have the time breed the hens to a good American line cock with a shuffle and if they put out confident stags you will have something special in at least one of the stags. If they are not hatchery birds then they may just be bred too tight and can only produce.