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Hahaha! Am I reading this right, you're doing a barred + mottled project too?! Awesome! It'll be good to compare notes on the Houdan X Lavendar Legbar things I've got. This pair is not as easy to choose between as I thought at first. I like the lack of autosomal red and the yellow shanks on A...

@The Moonshiner do you recall ever seeing wing patch in your d'Uccles? I found an old article somewhere talking about it being first observed shortly after the lavender mutation popped up in d'Uccles in Australia ( i believe this is where the lavender gene was first discovered,) but as I recall...

I've got a hideous one out in the bachelor pad that hasn't made it to freezer camp yet, I'll nab a picture if it's not too dark... He really did not like being cornered and would not be still, but I think you get the point, LOL. As I mentioned before, these are AT LEAST f3 lav with tight...

To clarify (since I seem to be misunderstanding a lot of things here,) you disagree with Dan's opinion? He told me that breeding enough to find the one male that didn't exhibit the fault was how he went about successfully creating fray-free Isabella Phoenix. I am using his work with those birds...

I guess I was confused. I thought you crossed back to browns/blacks to achieve the disappearance of the problem and didn't concern yourself with whether or not you could breed multiple generations of lavender to themselves. If you are working to eliminate fray as well and have pure lavender...

Also, IMO, even the birds that don't show fully obvious effects of fray still have far inferior feather quality and pass that on to their offspring. For example, my "opal" (cream+lavender over gold duckwing) legbar exhibits no clear signs of fray like what I see in my f3+ isabel to isabel...

I don't feel like "losing" a generation to splits every other season is faster, less expensive or more efficient, personally. I also don't think I'll ever be able to produce a competitive line of lavenders if I have to keep crossing out all the time. Y'all do your thang, but I want a pure line...

It's a rough route to go, but IMO it's the only route if you want to truly eliminate the gene and not just mask it. My goal is to be able to have a pure lavender line without ever having to cross in browns and mess with splits. If someone's happy with birds that simply don't APPEAR to have it...

Sounds like the approach I described would be a breeze for you, then.

So you have a pure lavender line that you never have to cross back to browns now? I'm confused.

This doesn't fix the problem, that's the bandaid solution and it's why every lf lavender breed we have continues to have this serious defect. I'd like to put in the work now so that I don't have to breed splits every other generation. Trust though, it makes me cringe too, but apparently for...

Breed enough 2nd+ generation pure lavender birds to find the 1-in-100 (according to Dan Honour) male without fray or wingpatch, and test mate him to his daughters until you find a mating that produces 100% fray/wing patch free males. It's gonna cost a damn fortune. (Every time I think about...

Yes, it's true. I've developed some pretty strong ideas and opinions about it. I'm a bit obsessed with the lav gene actually. I've probably put at least a couple hundred hours of research/interviews into it since taking on the Isabella leghorns, so I'm sure some of that has evolved my stance. I...

I'm hatching my second generation on one breed now, f1 splits on the other breed. I haven't yet had need to breed f1 splits to each other, but I'll be doing some of that this year. All single combs, though, so I was more interested in the comb genetics than the lav genetics on the rose comb thing.

@The Moonshiner it just occurred to me you could do a 55 Flowery pattern with mille fleur rather than simple mottled, right? My "reach" variety would be lavender+barred+mottled on gold duckwing (lavender 55 Flowery). Maybe i should change that to lavender+barred+porcelain though...

Absolutely, I was just thinking it would be a little tricky with the lavender single comb cock and brown rose comb hens because i usually breed back to lavender for all lav offspring in f2, but breeding f1 together would produce a percentage of f2 lavender birds. Hopefully one if them would be a...

Have you considered dubbing?

You're going to have a hard time getting a decent rose comb *and* lavender at the same time, I think, but just color-wise... yeah, an Isabella male over brown females works just as well as the other way around. I think it's preferable because you can really see what feather faults your working...

On the recommendation that a new thread might be appealing for a few reasons, behold—the new Standardbred Leghorn Thread.

I was just working up an awesome new Standardbred Leghorn thread when I decided to give it one more shot at finding the old one, and voila. Behold: The Leghorn Breeders Thread—All Varieties Now, caveat. There's only four pages and so far the emphasis isn't focused on standardbred birds very...