prayer warriors (following Jesus Christ, everyone welcome)

[kikiruru]

Thank you Lord

 

[shortgrass]

Thank you all for your prayers... It means a lot to us at this time. A lot of questions as usual, but I'll ask those at another time, when things have settled and had time to study a few subjects....


On the topic of "riches", this is my verse for the day....


Keep deception and lies far from me, Give me neither poverty nor riches; Feed me with the food that is my portion, That I not be full and deny You and say, "Who is the Lord ?" Or that I not be in want and steal, And profane the name of my God.
Proverbs 30:8‭-‬9 NASB
http://bible.com/100/pro.30.8-9.NASB

 

[ocap]

here is another verse (passage) that was presented at out Bible study last evening, I had never understood all the implication, read carefully:


Hebrews 7 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

7:1 For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham as he was returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him, 2 to whom also Abraham apportioned a tenth part of all the spoils, was first of all, by the translation of his name, king of righteousness, and then also king of Salem, which is king of peace. 3 Without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, he remains a priest perpetually.

 

[kikiruru]

thank you Jesus

 

[ocap]

Bible search results

Genesis 14:18

And Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; now he was a priest of God Most High.

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Psalm 110:4

The Lord has sworn and will not change His mind, “You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek.”

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Question about Hebrew 7 post above, was Melchizedek in Hebrews 7 Genesis 14 and Psalm 110, Jesus Christ?

 

[shortgrass]

Bible search results

Genesis 14:18

And Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; now he was a priest of God Most High.

In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Psalm 110:4

The Lord has sworn and will not change His mind, “You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek.”

In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Question about Hebrew 7 post above, was Melchizedek in Hebrews 7 Genesis 14 and Psalm 110, Jesus Christ?

No. It is an example of a "type" of Christ, a comparison per se, an "order".... It was to emphasize the fact that the soon to be Levitical priesthood would not be sufficient in the long run... Melchizedek having "no father or mother, etc" is symbolic of the fact that the Levitical.priesthoid was dependent on being born into the tribe of priesthood, Levi, in order to even be a priest. And those priests' "ordainment" only lasted as long as they were alive, to pass it on. Hence, human priesthood would have beginnings and ends dependent entirely on the lifetime of each specific priest.

Jesus' priesthood and kingship, like Melchizedek, would be one with no beginning and no end because it's not dependent on the authority of Levitical priesthood and birthright, it comes from the authority of God Almighty himself, unending and completely sufficient for eternity.

 

[ocap]

No. It is an example of a "type" of Christ, a comparison per se, an "order".... It was to emphasize the fact that the soon to be Levitical priesthood would not be sufficient in the long run... Melchizedek having "no father or mother, etc" is symbolic of the fact that the Levitical.priesthoid was dependent on being born into the tribe of priesthood, Levi, in order to even be a priest. And those priests' "ordainment" only lasted as long as they were alive, to pass it on. Hence, human priesthood would have beginnings and ends dependent entirely on the lifetime of each specific priest.

Jesus' priesthood and kingship, like Melchizedek, would be one with no beginning and no end because it's not dependent on the authority of Levitical priesthood and birthright, it comes from the authority of God Almighty himself, unending and completely sufficient for eternity.

your answer is exactly what I thought for decades, what was pointed out to me (on Thursday evening) was the description of Melchizedek in Hebrews 7:2-3 (in bold below). How can a man (priest), who would be a type for Jesus to copy, have no father or mother or birthday?

Hebrews 7 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

7:1 For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham as he was returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him, 2 to whom also Abraham apportioned a tenth part of all the spoils, was first of all, by the translation of his name, king of righteousness, and then also king of Salem, which is king of peace. 3 Without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, he remains a priest perpetually.

 

[shortgrass]

your answer is exactly what I thought for decades, what was pointed out to me (on Thursday evening) was the description of Melchizedek in Hebrews 7:2-3 (in bold below). How can a man (priest), who would be a type for Jesus to copy, have no father or mother or birthday?

Hebrews 7 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

7:1 For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham as he was returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him, 2 to whom also Abraham apportioned a tenth part of all the spoils, was first of all, by the translation of his name, king of righteousness, and then also king of Salem, which is king of peace. 3 Without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, he remains a priest perpetually.

I would have to look closer at this section to find that answer for certain.....


Now if perfection was through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the people received the Law), what further need was there for another priest to arise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be designated according to the order of Aaron? For when the priesthood is changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also. For the one concerning whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no one has officiated at the altar. For it is evident that our Lord was descended from Judah, a tribe with reference to which Moses spoke nothing concerning priests. And this is clearer still, if another priest arises according to the likeness of Melchizedek, who has become such not on the basis of a law of physical requirement, but according to the power of an indestructible life. For it is attested of Him, " you are a priest forever according to the order of melchizedek ." For, on the one hand, there is a setting aside of a former commandment because of its weakness and uselessness (for the Law made nothing perfect), and on the other hand there is a bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God. And inasmuch as it was not without an oath (for they indeed became priests without an oath, but He with an oath through the One who said to Him, " the Lord has sworn and will not change his mind , ' you are a priest forever '"); so much the more also Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant.
Hebrews 7:11‭-‬22 NASB
http://bible.com/100/heb.7.11-22.NASB

 

[ocap]

@shortgrass , you might be right , I will go back and read it all again, ................

 

[shortgrass]

It's an interesting interpretation for sure, and it's so... Weird.. how Melchizedek seems to come from nowhere and tell us somethung, just not quite sure what..

But this popped up in my brain, this verse specifically catches my eye.

Without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, he remains a priest perpetually.
Hebrews 7:3 NASB
http://bible.com/100/heb.7.3.NASB

If we compare...

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
John 3:16 NASB
http://bible.com/100/jhn.3.16.NASB


There's where the line is drawn as far as my personal interpretation... Jesus Christ was BEGOTTEN, not made... And He is the ONLY begotten Son of God... So even if Melchizedek was some sort of messenger, like the prophets or even an angel in disguise, he was "made like", not begotten.

But of course, with God, anything is possible, it's just too much silence to try to guess based on the English language lol... Without father or mother could just mean that his genealogy wasn't traced because it didn't matter who his parents were, or he might have been an orphan?.. i just don't like filling in blanks with "possibilities" unless I can understand the priesthood BEFORE Levi and Aaron. Melchizedek is the only PRIEST mentioned before then, so it's definitely significant.