A New Way to Vent-Sex? - No harm done

[Then I Will]

Am I crazy to think I can see a rooster or cockerel's papilla on occasion even when full grown?

The entire process of examining comb and wattle growth, feather growth, leg thickness, spur growth, and a myriad of other details to determine whether a young chicken is a cockerel or a pullet seems rather tedious to me when I can just look at the chicken's rear end and let the chicken show me what he or she is.

Let me explain.
In vent-sexing, done by "professionals" at hatcheries, a newly hatched baby bird is squeezed to force it to defecate and also invert the vent to reveal the presence or lack thereof of a pimple.
I am not very fond of this process as it seems inhumane.

Yet, I cannot find any articles online that mention what I have been able to do and- there's nothing new under the sun. I don't really believe I was the first to discover this...

(this was the first time I saw the papilla on a chick so young- and he was confirmed a rooster by the hatchery)
While cleaning pasty butt from my EE chick's rear once, I noticed this pimple appear and disappear on the upper lip of the chick's vent as (the now confirmed) he moved his vent. I was like- okay... why did they have to squeeze him at the hatchery if I could see this while lovingly wiping poo away?? Chickens seem to do this puckering motion with their vents all the time: when you pick them up, when you touch the feathers back there, when you blowdry their bums, after a poopie, after mating, etc.

When they do this, of their own accord, I have been able to catch a glimpse of the papilla on chicks, cockerels, and full grown roosters (if they're missing a few bum feathers obviously)! And on chicks who are pullets or hens, there is an absence of that bump.

So my questions are:
1. Is the squeeze method really the only way on a chick's first day?
2. Why aren't more chickens sexed using my method of simply watching the vent for the appearance of a pimple. Is it not accurate enough? It's been accurate for me.
3. What else could you call it so people don't wig out thinking you're talking about vent-sexing as hatcheries do it?

Is it not a thing? Because a lot of super knowledgeable people here on BYC are relying on their knowledge of feathers, legs, combs, wattles and what-more.

Thanks in advance,

 

[Hybridchucks]

This is a great question! I wish i cud answer it but lol i cant answer! xxxx

 

[Terri E]

Am I crazy to think I can see a rooster or cockerel's papilla on occasion even when full grown?

The entire process of examining comb and wattle growth, feather growth, leg thickness, spur growth, and a myriad of other details to determine whether a young chicken is a cockerel or a pullet seems rather tedious to me when I can just look at the chicken's rear end and let the chicken show me what he or she is.

Let me explain.
In vent-sexing, done by "professionals" at hatcheries, a newly hatched baby bird is squeezed to force it to defecate and also invert the vent to reveal the presence or lack thereof of a pimple.
I am not very fond of this process as it seems inhumane.

Yet, I cannot find any articles online that mention what I have been able to do and- there's nothing new under the sun. I don't really believe I was the first to discover this...

(this was the first time I saw the papilla on a chick so young- and he was confirmed a rooster by the hatchery)
While cleaning pasty butt from my EE chick's rear once, I noticed this pimple appear and disappear on the upper lip of the chick's vent as (the now confirmed) he moved his vent. I was like- okay... why did they have to squeeze him at the hatchery if I could see this while lovingly wiping poo away?? Chickens seem to do this puckering motion with their vents all the time: when you pick them up, when you touch the feathers back there, when you blowdry their bums, after a poopie, after mating, etc.

When they do this, of their own accord, I have been able to catch a glimpse of the papilla on chicks, cockerels, and full grown roosters (if they're missing a few bum feathers obviously)! And on chicks who are pullets or hens, there is an absence of that bump.

So my questions are:
1. Is the squeeze method really the only way on a chick's first day?
2. Why aren't more chickens sexed using my method of simply watching the vent for the appearance of a pimple. Is it not accurate enough? It's been accurate for me.
3. What else could you call it so people don't wig out thinking you're talking about vent-sexing as hatcheries do it?

Is it not a thing? Because a lot of super knowledgeable people here on BYC are relying on their knowledge of feathers, legs, combs, wattles and what-more.

Thanks in advance,

Very interesting. I vaguely recall a small article about this, just it escapes from where. Only once, never again have I heard of it until now. You have given interesting points and intriguing way of sexing baby chicks or what have you.

Thanks

 

[MountainMarans2012]

Am I crazy to think I can see a rooster or cockerel's papilla on occasion even when full grown?

The entire process of examining comb and wattle growth, feather growth, leg thickness, spur growth, and a myriad of other details to determine whether a young chicken is a cockerel or a pullet seems rather tedious to me when I can just look at the chicken's rear end and let the chicken show me what he or she is.

Let me explain.
In vent-sexing, done by "professionals" at hatcheries, a newly hatched baby bird is squeezed to force it to defecate and also invert the vent to reveal the presence or lack thereof of a pimple.
I am not very fond of this process as it seems inhumane.

Yet, I cannot find any articles online that mention what I have been able to do and- there's nothing new under the sun. I don't really believe I was the first to discover this...

(this was the first time I saw the papilla on a chick so young- and he was confirmed a rooster by the hatchery)
While cleaning pasty butt from my EE chick's rear once, I noticed this pimple appear and disappear on the upper lip of the chick's vent as (the now confirmed) he moved his vent. I was like- okay... why did they have to squeeze him at the hatchery if I could see this while lovingly wiping poo away?? Chickens seem to do this puckering motion with their vents all the time: when you pick them up, when you touch the feathers back there, when you blowdry their bums, after a poopie, after mating, etc.

When they do this, of their own accord, I have been able to catch a glimpse of the papilla on chicks, cockerels, and full grown roosters (if they're missing a few bum feathers obviously)! And on chicks who are pullets or hens, there is an absence of that bump.

So my questions are:
1. Is the squeeze method really the only way on a chick's first day?
2. Why aren't more chickens sexed using my method of simply watching the vent for the appearance of a pimple. Is it not accurate enough? It's been accurate for me.
3. What else could you call it so people don't wig out thinking you're talking about vent-sexing as hatcheries do it?

Is it not a thing? Because a lot of super knowledgeable people here on BYC are relying on their knowledge of feathers, legs, combs, wattles and what-more.

Thanks in advance,

Could never vent sex day olds right but
my stepdaughter could vent sex older larger chicks very easily using your same method.
Wish there was more Articles on this.

 

[MandaH]

Not all breeds are vent checked for sexing. Some are sex linked so therefore determined based on color. Also there is feather sexing.

 

[ChickenTenderKesha]

Not all breeds are vent checked for sexing. Some are sex linked so therefore determined based on color. Also there is feather sexing.

I thought feather sexing was only able to be done on certain breeds?

 

[MandaH]

I know it doesn't work well on bantams. A lot of the common breeds it works well on though. I am pretty sure there are a couple breeds where it does not work though and therefore vent checking is more accurate. But quite a few breeds are feather sexed

 

[SurferchickinSB]

Am I crazy to think I can see a rooster or cockerel's papilla on occasion even when full grown?

The entire process of examining comb and wattle growth, feather growth, leg thickness, spur growth, and a myriad of other details to determine whether a young chicken is a cockerel or a pullet seems rather tedious to me when I can just look at the chicken's rear end and let the chicken show me what he or she is.

Let me explain.
In vent-sexing, done by "professionals" at hatcheries, a newly hatched baby bird is squeezed to force it to defecate and also invert the vent to reveal the presence or lack thereof of a pimple.
I am not very fond of this process as it seems inhumane.

Yet, I cannot find any articles online that mention what I have been able to do and- there's nothing new under the sun. I don't really believe I was the first to discover this...

(this was the first time I saw the papilla on a chick so young- and he was confirmed a rooster by the hatchery)
While cleaning pasty butt from my EE chick's rear once, I noticed this pimple appear and disappear on the upper lip of the chick's vent as (the now confirmed) he moved his vent. I was like- okay... why did they have to squeeze him at the hatchery if I could see this while lovingly wiping poo away?? Chickens seem to do this puckering motion with their vents all the time: when you pick them up, when you touch the feathers back there, when you blowdry their bums, after a poopie, after mating, etc.

When they do this, of their own accord, I have been able to catch a glimpse of the papilla on chicks, cockerels, and full grown roosters (if they're missing a few bum feathers obviously)! And on chicks who are pullets or hens, there is an absence of that bump.

So my questions are:
1. Is the squeeze method really the only way on a chick's first day?
2. Why aren't more chickens sexed using my method of simply watching the vent for the appearance of a pimple. Is it not accurate enough? It's been accurate for me.
3. What else could you call it so people don't wig out thinking you're talking about vent-sexing as hatcheries do it?

Is it not a thing? Because a lot of super knowledgeable people here on BYC are relying on their knowledge of feathers, legs, combs, wattles and what-more.

Thanks in advance,

I would think it has to do with the time. The person that is vent sexing has to do hundreds if not thousands a day, so they don’t have that kind of time.