Calcium bolus please HELP

[Joyce_Turner]

For what it's worth, if you got 7 years out of an ISA brown you kinda hit the lottery. It sounds like she had a confluence of ailments, and while I agree vets generally dont know jack squat about chickens, it's amazing she lived to be that old in the first place.

Respectfully, I dont think you should sue your neighbors. I think you should never let them see any other chickens, but a lawsuit will sadly cost you lots of money and likely end in disappointment.

We are a rare breed on this forum. Most laugh at the idea of a pet chicken. Most are fools.

Thank you richly... you know I went back and did the calculation. This wa actually her 9th year of life.

Thank you for your advice, and caution felt here, protect myself from being exploited new by lawyers. Thank you. Warning heeded. <3

I love how you said that. "Most laugh at the idea of a pet chicken. Most are fools." Truth to word. Moving through me all this day, that kind of love, she following me around, she trusting in me... Seeing me in my bad moods and standing there and trilling me positive vibes. You cant get that from any other creature. That love was a perfect love. I blame myself for kind of tuning it out or just taking it a little bit too much for granted. That kind of love is like nothing else. Yes, most are fools.

Fools scoff because they assume value lies only in the conventional. But you and I? We know better. The pet chicken is a quiet rebellion against a world that prizes the mundane. It is a rare love that no other creature can give.

 

[Joyce_Turner]

For my precious Delta Dawn. Now you see that far away tree, just as I promised. There is safety, love, peace there in God's Kingdom. No, the circle does not break. He made you, and He made such a special tree for you.

"In the mountain of the height of Israel will I plant it: and it shall bring forth boughs, and bear fruit, and be a goodly cedar: and under it shall dwell all fowl of every wing; in the shadow of the branches thereof shall they dwell."

--KJV; Ezekiel 17:23

 

[Jesse Lee Turner]

she is not really gone, if anyone ever is. all that love you given? she will always be close. you give more love than you got to give, sometimes, GM, so be sure she is holding close. <3

Got the results back. It gets interesting. Looks like what the kids done maybe is or not even relevant.

I cant get anyhting to upload. So I will write it out.

CALCIUM 3.2mmol/L (Low I think they did total and not free ionized. Doesn't match up).
AST 340 u/L (VERY HIGH, probably liver rebound effect from not eating and the recent A management).

BUT pay attention to these because I'm going to say what they mean.

CHOLESTEROL 10.7 (VERY HIGH)

That is the big sign GM. Because in hens, estrogen forces cholesterol to be made in the liver because it’s the raw matter for making egg yolks. It was very high. A level this high when DD was anorexic and not any more a laying hen means estrogen was a run away train and still being produced and dumped even though the egg machinery had stopped working properly.This means either she had a very active ovary/ies, or even cancer of the repro tract and that caused big estrogen that then caused big cholesterol. This is a what you will see prior to yolk peritonitis, salpingitis, or oviductal failure, you get those problems after the yolk has nowhere to go. she had salping lately and EYP in the past right?


estrogen makes a lady hen a lady. But it is war fare other times. It also thickens blood, increasing stroke risk. You say DD was slow. It wasn't from any calcium. Calcium was found to be normal. Kidneys normal. Means she was strong as a bull and cleared what the kids give her lightning fast. You find a lot of white chalk droppings GM?

the slow? she was having mini strokes, being so full of estrogen. She needed blood thinners and something to protect from possible seizures also.

The slow + not eating + could not hold her head up yesterday? she was stroking. Nervous system fighting but losing.......She was having strokes. It wasn't electrolytes gone bad. Another reason why not to go to court, cuz if opposite team had any brains they would say ambiguity and cant tell difference between what kids done and what her own system done to herself. Can't win without unshakeable proof. But you got love that needs no proof.

Then quack gives her in decompensated state tramadol? Should killed her. But DD stayed on and even got stronger with being in your lap. WHY? Because she was staying on, coming back stronger for you. she knew love, she's in chicken heaven Granma side-eyeoing them evil vets and she gonna about peck their eyes out as they lay sleeping some time.

Then look at her AST. It's a liver protein. It is released when liver or muscle tissue is damaged. Alcoholics, people who got hepatitis. Chickens whoe livers are working hard possibly from fatty liver from hormones being banged up. Chronic inflammation because of her reproductive disease. Ischemic liver stress from mini-strokes or tiny clots (which estrogen also does). Her liver was being overworked and could not keep pace to clear waste. That's why she had that smell. Metabolic waste was building. That's why I said give her K+ or give her baking soda, as also it was enough to turn her system acidic.

Bile acids, by the way wese: 151 µmol/L (very high)

What that means is its a major red flag for liver problems as usually, bile acids are recycled well. Elevation this high means backlog because estrogen went and messed with her metbolism and I'm sorry to say, she had metabolic collapse. You see this with fatty liver or some types of liver failure, which also can be caused by or made even worse by reproductive system inflammation.

Bad genes, bad genetics. Bred to make eggs until there's no coming back. Or set up for disease of the repro organs. but that does not make her who she is. ​

She will always be with you because she was not just some chicken, she loved you and you loved her so much, she was family imprinted strongly and is now even your guardian angel, no accident you picking her up and taking her home that time, no accident in my mind whatever. You right when you say she is your soul mate. Maybe there's not even a name for what you 2 had together. That's why she will stay. you wll feel her being around. Where else could she go for such a love like you gave her?

Love you granma, I will call when I get in. Hope that can help anyone lookin for anwers. Hope it helps you. Relax you did not cause it. It was already happening and then fdor some time.

 

[Joyce_Turner]

she is not really gone, if anyone ever is. all that love you given? she will always be close. you give more love than you got to give, sometimes, GM, so be sure she is holding close. <3

Got the results back. It gets interesting. Looks like what the kids done maybe is or not even relevant.

I cant get anyhting to upload. So I will write it out.

CALCIUM 3.2mmol/L (Low I think they did total and not free ionized. Doesn't match up).
AST 340 u/L (VERY HIGH, probably liver rebound effect from not eating and the recent A management).

BUT pay attention to these because I'm going to say what they mean.

CHOLESTEROL 10.7 (VERY HIGH)

That is the big sign GM. Because in hens, estrogen forces cholesterol to be made in the liver because it’s the raw matter for making egg yolks. It was very high. A level this high when DD was anorexic and not any more a laying hen means estrogen was a run away train and still being produced and dumped even though the egg machinery had stopped working properly.This means either she had a very active ovary/ies, or even cancer of the repro tract and that caused big estrogen that then caused big cholesterol. This is a what you will see prior to yolk peritonitis, salpingitis, or oviductal failure, you get those problems after the yolk has nowhere to go. she had salping lately and EYP in the past right?


estrogen makes a lady hen a lady. But it is war fare other times. It also thickens blood, increasing stroke risk. You say DD was slow. It wasn't from any calcium. Calcium was found to be normal. Kidneys normal. Means she was strong as a bull and cleared what the kids give her lightning fast. You find a lot of white chalk droppings GM?

the slow? she was having mini strokes, being so full of estrogen. She needed blood thinners and something to protect from possible seizures also.

The slow + not eating + could not hold her head up yesterday? she was stroking. Nervous system fighting but losing.......She was having strokes. It wasn't electrolytes gone bad. Another reason why not to go to court, cuz if opposite team had any brains they would say ambiguity and cant tell difference between what kids done and what her own system done to herself. Can't win without unshakeable proof. But you got love that needs no proof.

Then quack gives her in decompensated state tramadol? Should killed her. But DD stayed on and even got stronger with being in your lap. WHY? Because she was staying on, coming back stronger for you. she knew love, she's in chicken heaven Granma side-eyeoing them evil vets and she gonna about peck their eyes out as they lay sleeping some time.

Then look at her AST. It's a liver protein. It is released when liver or muscle tissue is damaged. Alcoholics, people who got hepatitis. Chickens whoe livers are working hard possibly from fatty liver from hormones being banged up. Chronic inflammation because of her reproductive disease. Ischemic liver stress from mini-strokes or tiny clots (which estrogen also does). Her liver was being overworked and could not keep pace to clear waste. That's why she had that smell. Metabolic waste was building. That's why I said give her K+ or give her baking soda, as also it was enough to turn her system acidic.

Bile acids, by the way wese: 151 µmol/L (very high)​

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What that means is its a major red flag for liver problems as usually, bile acids are recycled well. Elevation this high means backlog because estrogen went and messed with her metbolism and I'm sorry to say, she had metabolic collapse. You see this with fatty liver or some types of liver failure, which also can be caused by or made even worse by reproductive system inflammation.​

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Bad genes, bad genetics. Bred to make eggs until there's no coming back. Or set up for disease of the repro organs. but that does not make her who she is. ​

She will always be with you because she was not just some chicken, she loved you and you loved her so much, she was family imprinted strongly and is now even your guardian angel, no accident you picking her up and taking her home that time, no accident in my mind whatever. You right when you say she is your soul mate. Maybe there's not even a name for what you 2 had together. That's why she will stay. you wll feel her being around. Where else could she go for such a love like you gave her?

Love you granma, I will call when I get in. Hope that can help anyone lookin for anwers. Hope it helps you. Relax you did not cause it. It was already happening and then fdor some time.

Thank you Jess. Sure explains a lot.
Jess you can't call, I will call you in ten. Need to talk.

 

[Bawkbok]

OMG!!! I just stumbled on this thread and I cannot believe the circumstances of this entire ordeal. Almost like a twilight zone episode. I'm so sorry your sweet baby Delta Dawn went through this hell, not to mention the angst and anguish you have and still are feeling. I am so sorry this happened to you.
My mom always used to say that "everything happens for a reason" and still more insight "all things are as they ought be". Hard to swallow at times like these. You loved her and she felt it. She brought you tremendous joy and comfort in your life. Celebrate her. Do not waste a single ounce of energy with hatred or anger at the neighbors; they are not even worth speaking to. Sometimes, complete and total silence and acting as if a person does not even exist speaks louder than actions or words. God bless you and good luck to you. My heart goes out to you.

 

[Jesse Lee Turner]

OMG!!! I just stumbled on this thread and I cannot believe the circumstances of this entire ordeal. Almost like a twilight zone episode. I'm so sorry your sweet baby Delta Dawn went through this hell, not to mention the angst and anguish you have and still are feeling. I am so sorry this happened to you.
My mom always used to say that "everything happens for a reason" and still more insight "all things are as they ought be". Hard to swallow at times like these. You loved her and she felt it. She brought you tremendous joy and comfort in your life. Celebrate her. Do not waste a single ounce of energy with hatred or anger at the neighbors; they are not even worth speaking to. Sometimes, complete and total silence and acting as if a person does not even exist speaks louder than actions or words. God bless you and good luck to you. My heart goes out to you.

Thank you and I'm sure when my granma comes back onboard she will be very touched.... sometimes things happen for good reasons. Other times for wrong, I think. It's then you find a strength and boldness you never knew you had and you fight like it is every war, for one chicken, who gave so much and was lt down by vets and nbeighborhood again and again.