Celadon Quail

[Lemon88]

Hi! I am absolutely fascinated by celadon quail! Anyone have experience with them? Know the best place to buy eggs?

 

[mixedUPturk]

Hey! I have had a good conversation with mr robbie of James Marie Farms ill find the information he game me on them. IMO hes the best place to buy eggs from hands down. Itll take time, he sells hundreds of Thousands of eggs each year but hes the best.

Here is a direct quote from him all about the celadon

Thank you for your inquiry about Celadon hatching eggs. I'm the breeder who's the original Importer of the "ce" gene known as Celadon. James Marie Farms Imported the Schofield Silver Collection from Perry Schofield who lives in Canada back in 2014. With that Federal & State USDA approved Import I was able to hatch a single Coturnix expressing the "ce" gene. Thousands of coturnix hens laying Celadon eggs are now in the USA as a result of that one Tibetan Tuxedo hen.
As related to Coturnix the "ce" gene, aka "Celadon" is a autosomal Recessive gene.
You can attempt to breed for this gene specifically using hens who lay Celadon colored eggs and males carrying the gene who hatched from them. Hens who lay celadon eggs will lay them for their entire life. Hens who hatch from Celadon eggs may or may not lay celadon eggs. Hens who do not lay Celadon eggs hatched from Celadon eggs will carry the gene and it may express in future generations. Current and past research documents for the "ce" gene is very limited, but "as imported" in 2014 producing more than 25% hens laying Celadon colored eggs from Celadon hatched eggs was not being achieved. Most smaller breeders selling celadon eggs have no idea how to breed Coturnix to improve the results. They are selling the eggs just because they can get premium price for the eggs. The first year of sales to the public we were seeing low percentage of hens carrying the gene. Even with a perfect hatch let's say of 100 eggs / if all chicks make it to maturity, 1/2 or 50% will be male on average. Therefore with this ratio 50 would be hens. If 50% display the gene that would be 25 hens at best that would lay Celadon eggs. Most breeders working with the gene in the beginning were seeing on average between 15-20 hens expressing the gene out of every 100 celadon eggs hatched. After years of selective breeding JMF has found that the missing part of this puzzle and it is simply in the male. By selecting certain males ( the ones that are homogenous for the ce gene) that carry the gene and breeding them in a Backcross breeding method of mating each generations hens (homogenous for ce gene) back to the same male (daughter to father) used carrying the gene JMF is now producing Celadon layers breeding true and laying 100% celadon type eggs. We have shared this breeding method with several select breeders who are using the same breeding program I explained to them in 2017 and some are now seeing up to 98% to 100% results.
I will continue to work with the line to standardize the plumage color as I have since I imported the line in 2014 being part of the Schofield Silver Collection. Currently I have a line of Tibetan Tuxedos laying 100% true and a line of Roux Dilute laying 100% true. My current work since last year has been to use Roux and Wild Type and I have successfully produced 4 generations of sex-linked Jumbo Egyptian hens producing 100% celadon eggs. I've also been able to bring the egg weight up to 12-14 grams on average (as imported it was on average about 10 grams) and a pure blue color with no specks. I found out from a professor in Russia in 2015 that the specks laid by certain birds was actually a trait that should not be breed for together. That trait of speckled eggs is a result of two different genes that produced the expressed spots and may lead to smaller weigh birds in future generations, with some having beak and feet issues for some reason in his research. The spots will feel like raised ink on the eggs and can be scratched off. Therefore we no longer breed for that trait since it "may" result in issues in future generations as we were informed. I have since passed on that information to all breeders who I've had phone consultations and that I have mentored in the pass. Some are breeding for this specific trait - time will tell if the researchers studies prove true.
The Celadon has come a long way since I imported them back in August of 2014 and I'm very proud of the success I've achieved in purifying the line imported from Perry Schofield in Canada.
I still sell celadon eggs from previous generations at .80 cents per egg with shipping. Those are from mixed plumage varieties, most are of standard size and still produce a very small amount of layers not laying true to celadon color. But - I haven't, and will not sell any eggs from the lines that I've purified and of Jumbo plumage varieties and have breeding true to laying 100% Celadon eggs.
Those lines are reserved for another farms breeding program I work with.
Every Celadon Coturnix in the USA is a result of the work I've done with this gene and also the result of the years of dedicated work Perry Schofield did to preserve the line for many many years after he sourced the gene from the University of British Columbia Canada. They imported the line direct from Japan's research facilities.
As imported in 2014 they were considered very rare and l was told there was less than 500 coturnix carrying the gene in the world. With most being at a closed research facility in Japan. As of now (4-16-18) I don't consider them to be rare at all since they are easily available through out the USA. We should see the price of them to be the same as any other different plumage variety this year. Just as we are seeing the price of The Schofield Silver Collection to be the same as any other egg or meat production variety. I've also shipped many orders of 1,000's of celadon eggs across the world to many different breeders.
With the work I've accomplished rare and unique plumage varieties, genes and mutations are now just as common in the USA as the Wild Type Coturnix.
Coturnix diversity has come along way in just 4 1/2 years.
JMF / Premier Coturnix

 

[CoturnixComplex]

I used to have a celadon layer! She got eaten :/ I miss her eggs.
seconding ordering from JMF or KC farms! They both sell them and are huge, professional, and have amazing stock.

 

[ManitobaQuail]

Hey! I have had a good conversation with mr robbie of James Marie Farms ill find the information he game me on them. IMO hes the best place to buy eggs from hands down. Itll take time, he sells hundreds of Thousands of eggs each year but hes the best.

Here is a direct quote from him all about the celadon

Thank you for your inquiry about Celadon hatching eggs. I'm the breeder who's the original Importer of the "ce" gene known as Celadon. James Marie Farms Imported the Schofield Silver Collection from Perry Schofield who lives in Canada back in 2014. With that Federal & State USDA approved Import I was able to hatch a single Coturnix expressing the "ce" gene. Thousands of coturnix hens laying Celadon eggs are now in the USA as a result of that one Tibetan Tuxedo hen.
As related to Coturnix the "ce" gene, aka "Celadon" is a autosomal Recessive gene.
You can attempt to breed for this gene specifically using hens who lay Celadon colored eggs and males carrying the gene who hatched from them. Hens who lay celadon eggs will lay them for their entire life. Hens who hatch from Celadon eggs may or may not lay celadon eggs. Hens who do not lay Celadon eggs hatched from Celadon eggs will carry the gene and it may express in future generations. Current and past research documents for the "ce" gene is very limited, but "as imported" in 2014 producing more than 25% hens laying Celadon colored eggs from Celadon hatched eggs was not being achieved. Most smaller breeders selling celadon eggs have no idea how to breed Coturnix to improve the results. They are selling the eggs just because they can get premium price for the eggs. The first year of sales to the public we were seeing low percentage of hens carrying the gene. Even with a perfect hatch let's say of 100 eggs / if all chicks make it to maturity, 1/2 or 50% will be male on average. Therefore with this ratio 50 would be hens. If 50% display the gene that would be 25 hens at best that would lay Celadon eggs. Most breeders working with the gene in the beginning were seeing on average between 15-20 hens expressing the gene out of every 100 celadon eggs hatched. After years of selective breeding JMF has found that the missing part of this puzzle and it is simply in the male. By selecting certain males ( the ones that are homogenous for the ce gene) that carry the gene and breeding them in a Backcross breeding method of mating each generations hens (homogenous for ce gene) back to the same male (daughter to father) used carrying the gene JMF is now producing Celadon layers breeding true and laying 100% celadon type eggs. We have shared this breeding method with several select breeders who are using the same breeding program I explained to them in 2017 and some are now seeing up to 98% to 100% results.
I will continue to work with the line to standardize the plumage color as I have since I imported the line in 2014 being part of the Schofield Silver Collection. Currently I have a line of Tibetan Tuxedos laying 100% true and a line of Roux Dilute laying 100% true. My current work since last year has been to use Roux and Wild Type and I have successfully produced 4 generations of sex-linked Jumbo Egyptian hens producing 100% celadon eggs. I've also been able to bring the egg weight up to 12-14 grams on average (as imported it was on average about 10 grams) and a pure blue color with no specks. I found out from a professor in Russia in 2015 that the specks laid by certain birds was actually a trait that should not be breed for together. That trait of speckled eggs is a result of two different genes that produced the expressed spots and may lead to smaller weigh birds in future generations, with some having beak and feet issues for some reason in his research. The spots will feel like raised ink on the eggs and can be scratched off. Therefore we no longer breed for that trait since it "may" result in issues in future generations as we were informed. I have since passed on that information to all breeders who I've had phone consultations and that I have mentored in the pass. Some are breeding for this specific trait - time will tell if the researchers studies prove true.
The Celadon has come a long way since I imported them back in August of 2014 and I'm very proud of the success I've achieved in purifying the line imported from Perry Schofield in Canada.
I still sell celadon eggs from previous generations at .80 cents per egg with shipping. Those are from mixed plumage varieties, most are of standard size and still produce a very small amount of layers not laying true to celadon color. But - I haven't, and will not sell any eggs from the lines that I've purified and of Jumbo plumage varieties and have breeding true to laying 100% Celadon eggs.
Those lines are reserved for another farms breeding program I work with.
Every Celadon Coturnix in the USA is a result of the work I've done with this gene and also the result of the years of dedicated work Perry Schofield did to preserve the line for many many years after he sourced the gene from the University of British Columbia Canada. They imported the line direct from Japan's research facilities.
As imported in 2014 they were considered very rare and l was told there was less than 500 coturnix carrying the gene in the world. With most being at a closed research facility in Japan. As of now (4-16-18) I don't consider them to be rare at all since they are easily available through out the USA. We should see the price of them to be the same as any other different plumage variety this year. Just as we are seeing the price of The Schofield Silver Collection to be the same as any other egg or meat production variety. I've also shipped many orders of 1,000's of celadon eggs across the world to many different breeders.
With the work I've accomplished rare and unique plumage varieties, genes and mutations are now just as common in the USA as the Wild Type Coturnix.
Coturnix diversity has come along way in just 4 1/2 years.
JMF / Premier Coturnix

Interesting...do you have photos of those birds (& eggs) in comparison to regular birds?

 

[CoturnixComplex]

Interesting...do you have photos of those birds (& eggs) in comparison to regular birds?

They look exactly the same, only the egg is different.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/content/type/61/id/7018107/width/500/height/1000

 

[ManitobaQuail]

They look exactly the same, only the egg is different.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/content/type/61/id/7018107/width/500/height/1000

Must be easier to candle. Haha. The only benefit I can think of, besides them being pretty..

 

[CoturnixComplex]

Must be easier to candle. Haha. The only benefit I can think of, besides them being pretty..

Ooooooooh, I bet they are.

You can charge more $ for them at the farmer's market, that's about it.

 

[mixedUPturk]

Interesting...do you have photos of those birds (& eggs) in comparison to regular birds?

That was a quote i haven't bought any yet.

Must be easier to candle. Haha. The only benefit I can think of, besides them being pretty..

No i think theyre darker in candling like Americauna(however u spell it the chicken w the blue eggs) becuz the shell color is all the way through

 

[Lemon88]

Hey! I have had a good conversation with mr robbie of James Marie Farms ill find the information he game me on them. IMO hes the best place to buy eggs from hands down. Itll take time, he sells hundreds of Thousands of eggs each year but hes the best.

Here is a direct quote from him all about the celadon

Thank you for your inquiry about Celadon hatching eggs. I'm the breeder who's the original Importer of the "ce" gene known as Celadon. James Marie Farms Imported the Schofield Silver Collection from Perry Schofield who lives in Canada back in 2014. With that Federal & State USDA approved Import I was able to hatch a single Coturnix expressing the "ce" gene. Thousands of coturnix hens laying Celadon eggs are now in the USA as a result of that one Tibetan Tuxedo hen.
As related to Coturnix the "ce" gene, aka "Celadon" is a autosomal Recessive gene.
You can attempt to breed for this gene specifically using hens who lay Celadon colored eggs and males carrying the gene who hatched from them. Hens who lay celadon eggs will lay them for their entire life. Hens who hatch from Celadon eggs may or may not lay celadon eggs. Hens who do not lay Celadon eggs hatched from Celadon eggs will carry the gene and it may express in future generations. Current and past research documents for the "ce" gene is very limited, but "as imported" in 2014 producing more than 25% hens laying Celadon colored eggs from Celadon hatched eggs was not being achieved. Most smaller breeders selling celadon eggs have no idea how to breed Coturnix to improve the results. They are selling the eggs just because they can get premium price for the eggs. The first year of sales to the public we were seeing low percentage of hens carrying the gene. Even with a perfect hatch let's say of 100 eggs / if all chicks make it to maturity, 1/2 or 50% will be male on average. Therefore with this ratio 50 would be hens. If 50% display the gene that would be 25 hens at best that would lay Celadon eggs. Most breeders working with the gene in the beginning were seeing on average between 15-20 hens expressing the gene out of every 100 celadon eggs hatched. After years of selective breeding JMF has found that the missing part of this puzzle and it is simply in the male. By selecting certain males ( the ones that are homogenous for the ce gene) that carry the gene and breeding them in a Backcross breeding method of mating each generations hens (homogenous for ce gene) back to the same male (daughter to father) used carrying the gene JMF is now producing Celadon layers breeding true and laying 100% celadon type eggs. We have shared this breeding method with several select breeders who are using the same breeding program I explained to them in 2017 and some are now seeing up to 98% to 100% results.
I will continue to work with the line to standardize the plumage color as I have since I imported the line in 2014 being part of the Schofield Silver Collection. Currently I have a line of Tibetan Tuxedos laying 100% true and a line of Roux Dilute laying 100% true. My current work since last year has been to use Roux and Wild Type and I have successfully produced 4 generations of sex-linked Jumbo Egyptian hens producing 100% celadon eggs. I've also been able to bring the egg weight up to 12-14 grams on average (as imported it was on average about 10 grams) and a pure blue color with no specks. I found out from a professor in Russia in 2015 that the specks laid by certain birds was actually a trait that should not be breed for together. That trait of speckled eggs is a result of two different genes that produced the expressed spots and may lead to smaller weigh birds in future generations, with some having beak and feet issues for some reason in his research. The spots will feel like raised ink on the eggs and can be scratched off. Therefore we no longer breed for that trait since it "may" result in issues in future generations as we were informed. I have since passed on that information to all breeders who I've had phone consultations and that I have mentored in the pass. Some are breeding for this specific trait - time will tell if the researchers studies prove true.
The Celadon has come a long way since I imported them back in August of 2014 and I'm very proud of the success I've achieved in purifying the line imported from Perry Schofield in Canada.
I still sell celadon eggs from previous generations at .80 cents per egg with shipping. Those are from mixed plumage varieties, most are of standard size and still produce a very small amount of layers not laying true to celadon color. But - I haven't, and will not sell any eggs from the lines that I've purified and of Jumbo plumage varieties and have breeding true to laying 100% Celadon eggs.
Those lines are reserved for another farms breeding program I work with.
Every Celadon Coturnix in the USA is a result of the work I've done with this gene and also the result of the years of dedicated work Perry Schofield did to preserve the line for many many years after he sourced the gene from the University of British Columbia Canada. They imported the line direct from Japan's research facilities.
As imported in 2014 they were considered very rare and l was told there was less than 500 coturnix carrying the gene in the world. With most being at a closed research facility in Japan. As of now (4-16-18) I don't consider them to be rare at all since they are easily available through out the USA. We should see the price of them to be the same as any other different plumage variety this year. Just as we are seeing the price of The Schofield Silver Collection to be the same as any other egg or meat production variety. I've also shipped many orders of 1,000's of celadon eggs across the world to many different breeders.
With the work I've accomplished rare and unique plumage varieties, genes and mutations are now just as common in the USA as the Wild Type Coturnix.
Coturnix diversity has come along way in just 4 1/2 years.
JMF / Premier Coturnix

Wow! That was very helpful! Thank you so much for sharing, I will definely check JMF out.

 

[ChristineR]

Hi! I am absolutely fascinated by celadon quail! Anyone have experience with them? Know the best place to buy eggs?

I know someone in WA who has them. I can give you her email if you want it. She also sells on eBay.