City says chickens ok, HOA says no, what to do?

Have you wrote your letter yet? I would take a picture of the cutest coup I could find and claim it;s the one I was going to use. ANd send the Usual pro and cons.

Thursday, May 19, 2011
7 Myths about Urban Chickens, a Civic Soapbox by Pat Foreman
There are many false beliefs and prejudices about keeping chickens, and the seven issues that routinely surface are:



disease,
noise,
odor and flies,
predators and rodents,
property values,
appearances,
what will the neighbors think?

Here’s the facts about each issue.

Myth 1: Urban Chickens Carry Diseases.

Fact: Small flocks have literally no risk of avian flu transmission to humans. The 2006 Grain Report states: “When it comes to bird flu, diverse small-scale poultry is the solution, not the problem.” Why? Because small flocks have better immune systems.
Myth 2. Chickens are Noisy.

Fact: Laying hens — at their very loudest — have about the same decibel level as human conversation (65 decibels). Roosters make most of the noise and many times they're not allowed in urban areas.
Myth 3. Waste and Odor.

Fact: a forty pound dog generates more doggie-do (about ¾ of a pound) then ten chickens (two-thirds of a pound of poo daily ). Both poops are smelly. But the key is to keep the chicken manure from accumulating, and this is done by composing.Composted chicken manure is valuable as a high-nitrogen fertilizer.

Myth 4. Chickens Attract Predators, Pests and Rodents.

Fact: Predators and rodents are already living in urban areas. Wild bird feeders, pet food, gardens, fish ponds, bird baths, and trash waiting to be collected all attract raccoons, foxes, rodents and flies. Modern micro-flock coops, such as chicken tractors, elevated coops and fencing provide ways of keeping, and managing, family flocks that eliminate concerns about such pests.
And about those pests, chickens are voracious carnivores and will seek and eat just about anything that moves including ticks (think Lyme disease), fleas, mosquitoes, grasshoppers, stink bugs, slugs, and even mice, baby rats and small snakes.
Myth 5. Property Values Will Decrease.

Fact: There is not one single documented case that I know about a family flock that has decreased the value of real estate.
Myth 6. Coops are Ugly.

Fact: Micro-flock coop designs can be totally charming, upscale and even whimsical.Common design features include blending in with the local architectural, matching the slope of the roof and complementing color schemes.
Myth 7. What Will Neighbors Think?

Fact: You can’t control what anyone thinks, much less your neighbor. But in my experience, once folks experience the advantages and charms of chickens, the prejudice and fear evaporates; especially when you share some heart-healthy, good-for-you eggs from your hens.
Often overlooked is the value of chickens as clucking civic bio-recyclers. They can divert tons of “waste” from the trash collection systems. Chickens will eat just about any kitchen “waste,” including “gone-by” leftovers that have seasoned in the refrigerator. Combine their manure with grass clippings and leaves to create compost and top soil.
 
in addition to above perhaps explain what your daily upkeep chores would be, explain how you'd handle neighbors concerns, get neighbors written endorsement if you can, articles from other progressive areas allowing chickens might help too. And a copy of the citys ordinance allowing it might help as well. It's awesome that the head of HOA is willing to concider it instead of outright shooting it down.
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Wow Hen Penny!!
Thanks for all the great information! I will definitely use some of this as ammo. I am trying to gather as much information I can including all the neighborhood's in Raleigh that allow them. I will update as I get a response! Thanks everybody, this website is wonderful.
 
I do not think I would necessarily bring up all the myths about chicken keeping. Your HOA document allows pets, and you need to keep the numbers and your plans in keeping with that. Write your letter so that it is not seeking permission, but explaining with confidence that you have chosen to acquire a few (mention the number, but kep it small) pet chickens. Highlight the benefits they will provide, and primarily focus on them as pets. Mentioning the nearby upscale neighborhoods that allow chickens is good, and depending on the type of people on your board, mentioning them as a part of a sustainable lifestyle may or may not be a good thing. It is always good to focus on the auduence when writing, but particularly when you are writing a persuasive letter.

If there are questions about things like odor or predators or lowered property values, THAT is when you bring out the truth about chicken keeping, and make sure to list an assortment of references that they can easily check out such as your local County Extension office or other official offices, as well as websites such as BYC.
 
We are in the same boat! We would love to have a few chickens, but our HOA in Mesa, AZ does not allow them (the city does, however). Very helpful ideas about going the "pet route." I had not thought about that. If anyone else is in the Dobson Ranch area in Mesa, AZ I would love to strategize!

Thanks,
Sarah and family
 
Hen Penny has some good facts. Many times the CC&Rs are dated and it simply requires that some HoAs get with the times. This will require that you meet and have a dialog with the board members. Making alterations to the CC&Rs is probably not possible as it requires, in North Carolina, 67% of your membership to vote in agreement of an amendment. I am assuming, based upon your name, that you are from North Carolina.

Regarding the letter, I would certainly be respectful and probably would address my letter documenting how they make good pets, produce eggs, and are not an annoyance to the community.

I am sure that the board is concerned about how your chickens may annoy the community.

I am a board member of my HoA in California. Our board can issue a variance document when a homeowner wants to make changes that are not in compliance with the CC&Rs. This variance will run with your land only and can have other requirements as well. This is a legal document that you will need to sign.

You should probably make yourself aware of the laws governing planned developments in your state.

I have done some research and found your state laws governing planned developments.. If you are in a condo, the laws governing your property may be different.

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/ByChapter/Chapter_47F.html

Alternatively, you can become a board member and make change.
 
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OK, your proposed pet chickens already have names. (Names distinguish them as pets rather than livestock.) Emphasize that your desire is merely to have pet chickens. (This is very different from a business where you sell eggs, etc.) Emphasize that your pet chickens will be clean and quiet backyard pets and their "home" will be clean and attractive. (Show a proposed chicken habitat that looks cute - not chicken coop like. Make sure it has dollhouse appeal.) I wish you all the best. I live in a HOA neighborhood in a city that recently passed 6 hens per backyard allowed. I merely had to express my desire to the neighbors and present the backyard chickens as genuine pets. I was fortunate enough to encounter no resistance to my dream. The Hayneedle.com Chicken Habitat really did the trick though, because it really is cute, and it was a terrific hit with the neighbors.
 
Hello!

Do we live in the same HOA?
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I also live in Raleigh, and would love to have 3 pet hens, but my HOA's rules are worded the same as yours. I was going to petition every house in the development.
 

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