Coronavirus, Covid 19 Discussion and How It Has Affected Your Daily Life Chat Thread

[RebeccaRN]

I am against mandatory/ forced vaccinations. Sorry.

And not all parents are responsible - I believe there is a post at the top of this page that gives a very timely example.

I dont believe I even implied the use of force. If you are depending on others to make sure you have a positive health outcome from covid you are extremely naive. You had better protect yourself the best way you know how. We are responsible for keeping ourselves safe.

 

[KarynVA]

Here's what I think is naive. It's believing that a global pandemic of an entirely new, highly infectious virus is so simple and black & white as "people who are at risk should stay home". That's extremely naive, IMO. Maybe it's like that in NE Oklahoma, but not all the world is so fortunate.

 

[RebeccaRN]

If your vulnerable or high risk to covid and you are taking proper precautions it shouldn't matter what other people are doing, you should be safe.

 

[Melleding]

I just heard that travel to the US from Europe has been suspended except from Great Britain. This also includes all trade.
What have you experienced, and are you experiencing shortages in your area? Have you been sick, or do you have friends or family that are?
Italy has closed commerce except for pharmacies and food stores.

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I just got my second shot yesterday. Arm a little sore, but I went to physical therapy this am so not bad. I am concerned about the variants though. I read an article about a doctor in private practice, that had gotten both shots, caught a covid variant and died. I have had some family members that got it before the vaccine was available to them. Three of them were young and recovered with no problems. They all live in different parts of the country. The 4th, in his 70s, ended up in ICU recently. I don't know the circumstances, if he'd gotten one shot or no shots. My sister, a retired nurse, went to check on his wife and she had died of covid in their condo. Then she had to go to the hospital and tell him that his wife had died. He did recover though. I think I will keep wearing a mask for now, as much as I hate them.

 

[45lk9p459gm-w]

That seems true so far, yes. Even if you do not have a reaction, you are still protected. The extra response can also be the result of previously having an asymptomatic or mild case. People who have been previously sick with CoVID-19 are still encouraged to get vaccinated because the vaccines provide a better immune response than natural infections. Why? The vaccines are made specifically for the outer spike proteins of the virus. There is no control over which portion of the virus that your immune system may recognize in naturally occuring infections. The Pfizer, Moderna, and JnJ vaccines will keep you off the ventilator and out of the morgue. People may still get mild to moderate illness with the single-shot JnJ, which is why it's described as 65% effective.

If someone has redness and swelling more than 2 inches away from their injection site, I encourage them to report to VAERS: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/vaers.html

Isn't Johnson & Johnson the only true vaccine of the Three?
What about a cytokine storm?

 

[RebeccaRN]

Isn't Johnson & Johnson the only true vaccine of the Three?
What about a cytokine storm?

Those happen and people have died from that. Unsure why some have had the cytokine storm and others don't, genetics I suppose

 

[KarynVA]

Those happen and people have died from that. Unsure why some have had the cytokine storm and others don't, genetics I suppose

Fact check: True.

"One study of 21 COVID-19 patients admitted to a hospital in China, for example, found that the 11 patients who were classified as severely ill because they needed oxygen were much more likely than those who were deemed to be just moderately ill to have higher levels of cytokines. A separate study of 191 COVID-19 patients from two hospitals in China found that higher levels of the cytokine IL-6 were linked to the risk of death from the disease."

 

[Winter Creek Coop]

Fact check: True.

"One study of 21 COVID-19 patients admitted to a hospital in China, for example, found that the 11 patients who were classified as severely ill because they needed oxygen were much more likely than those who were deemed to be just moderately ill to have higher levels of cytokines. A separate study of 191 COVID-19 patients from two hospitals in China found that higher levels of the cytokine IL-6 were linked to the risk of death from the disease."

Pro-inflamatory cytokines like interleukin 6 are signs of metabolic syndrome. I bet if you looked closely many would also have elevated tumor necrosis factor alpha as well.

 

[heatherbeast]

Pro-inflamatory cytokines like interleukin 6 are signs of metabolic syndrome. I bet if you looked closely many would also have elevated tumor necrosis factor alpha as well.

Anaphylaxis (the allergic reaction that has happened after a few injections) does release many of the same inflammatory proteins as a cytokine storm, yes. The specific ingredient in these reactions has not yet been identified in any of the cases -- and may in fact be different in each situation.

As for each being a vaccine or not, the JnJ vaccine uses an older technology where a weakened cold virus is used to carry the DNA for the spike protein into cells. The protein gets made, the immune system recognizes it as an invader, and produces memory cells that fight against later exposures. The mRNA technology used for the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines consists of just the mRNA wrapped in a little bubble of fat that gets absorbed by your cells, which then make the spike protein, etc. The mRNA is much less stable than the older technology, but is still very attractive because of how well it works -- 94-95% of those that complete the two-shot course will not get CoVID-19 illness after their exposure.

 

[45lk9p459gm-w]

Anaphylaxis (the allergic reaction that has happened after a few injections) does release many of the same inflammatory proteins as a cytokine storm, yes. The specific ingredient in these reactions has not yet been identified in any of the cases -- and may in fact be different in each situation.

As for each being a vaccine or not, the JnJ vaccine uses an older technology where a weakened cold virus is used to carry the DNA for the spike protein into cells. The protein gets made, the immune system recognizes it as an invader, and produces memory cells that fight against later exposures. The mRNA technology used for the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines consists of just the mRNA wrapped in a little bubble of fat that gets absorbed by your cells, which then make the spike protein, etc. The mRNA is much less stable than the older technology, but is still very attractive because of how well it works -- 94-95% of those that complete the two-shot course will not get CoVID-19 illness after their exposure.

What else can they program into the mRNA to trick the cell into doing/making?