Cream Legbar Working Group: Standard of Perfection

[ChicKat]

The Poultry shows take place around Nov. 17th over there, BTW...saw it in Practical Poultry magazine - which I saw at TSC, when I was looking for 'feather fixer' feed, which they do not have.

 

[Rancher3535]

Not that anyone needs to go look but here is my facebook page. I just loaded a set of pictures of my Cream Legbars. Hatched out 12 chicks...10 males and 2 female. Guess what I am not going to cull any females but I have culled down to 4 males. Let me know if you go to the page which male you like and why. Same for the females. Pretty lucky in the females because they are out of two different pens from the breeder I received my eggs from. Thanks Redchicken9 for the eggs!

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Rockin-R-Ranch/539810502704477?ref=hl

Here is a picture of the males...I would put more in but hate to see a ton of pics in one message.



Rob
In Idaho

 

[nicalandia]

Post better pics please... I personally would chose the Third one from the left. nice overall color, and I can see the creast.... but needs better pics.

 

[ChicKat]

Here is a picture of the males...I would put more in but hate to see a ton of pics in one message.




Rob
In Idaho

Nice pictures.
I am the opposite I think the more pictures the better. Even in one post.

 

[chicken pickin]

I am now following this thread. Such great info here and so much to read. I am on page 13 but plan to read all the way through. I have my 1st trio of CLs and plan to breed to standard so I will be watching and learning.

 

[Pozees]

Post better pics please... I personally would chose the Third one from the left. nice overall color, and I can see the creast.... but needs better pics.

How interesting - I like the second from the left, but from these pics it's hard to tell. I like the tail/tailset and overall shape.

 

[blackbirds13]

3) So if the wing bay is supposed to be cream, how do we end up with barring? Barring is the blocking of pigment on/off as feathers grow so wouldn't the wings all be cream? Which means this wing would be wrong (it may be wrong anyway.)

This wing bay of secondary feathers has gold overtones. This I believe to be indicative of gold still evident in the bird. I cull for this. I select for a gray and white barred wing bay with no gold overtones as shown below. The question I had was in regards to whether it was problematic if the white bars were wide enough that the gray areas did not show when the wing was folded not about a defective wing stance. I will continue to cull for gold in this area regardless.

My favorite male has very little gold in the wing bay

like this

Punnet states in his writings that any gold present here is a sign of gold in the genetics. So I am watching for gold in the secondary feathers as part of my cull process. What say you about this?

The photo of Punnets Gold Legbar looks idealized and does have faults therein. When I was designing the logo for the club I was sent and saw many idealized versions of poultry type. The black and white photo in my opinion has been altered to reflect this idealized version of the day. The comb on the bird does not align to the British SOP as it is a fly-away comb and does not follow the contour of the back of the head - this is the gold as there is no crest. The overally barring may indeed be what we need to align to but maybe we should try breeding towards this first. I am hopeful that since this was pointed out that I may indeed have a few boys that meet this feature. It is funny that you can read something and look at your birds and so much can still escape you. I think GaryDean made a recent comment that every reading of the SOP brought some new feature to the forefront. That is so true and the reason that though I don't post as much here I do enjoy the banter and exchange of ideas.... for the most part.

I plan on breeding a lot more birds before I think about deviating from the British SOP. It is amazing the changes you can see in 1 or 2 generations but it does take time and patience. I am weary of the color argument and while I understand the lure of the colorful birds they do not fit the standard and I believe to maintain that color in some degree may hamper advances in other desired areas. I also believe in the end the public will want what it wants and that may not be to my personal preference but to what it deems to be an accurate and quality representation of the breed. The degree of red on the shoulders may impact positively or negatively other areas but maybe breeding them for a good duration will denote that or prove that it is of little consequence . You may have to take a step back in one area to advance 2 steps in other areas but the venture should be pushing forward.

What I see in front of me is what I go by. Somewhat like Steen I grow out most of what I hatch for a considerable length of time and somethings cannot be captured on camera and though I am reading up on genetics the language to describe what I think I see sometimes escapes me. I will listen to the advice and the learned opinions of others but go with what I see occur in front of my own two eyes. And hope to breed birds that are a fair representation of the breed.

 

[Rancher3535]

My facebook page has (4 pics of each) a body, head, wing and top view of each of the birds I am keeping. They are not the best of pics but give a better look see at each bird.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Rockin-R-Ranch/539810502704477?ref=hl

 

[lonnyandrinda]

My facebook page has (4 pics of each) a body, head, wing and top view of each of the birds I am keeping. They are not the best of pics but give a better look see at each bird.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Rockin-R-Ranch/539810502704477?ref=hl

To my eye:

The color is best on the rooster in picture 18. However I don't like how gangly he looks. I much prefer the body shape of the rooster in picture 10. I would keep both to have a backup, or even to test mate with backup boy and see what you get. Both females are obviously gold hackled, but they have good body shape and nice tail angles. Nice start!

 

[Rancher3535]

Dark Blue Band - Second largest of the males


Green Band - Largest of the males


Light Blue Band - Third largest of the males


Pink Band - Smallest of the males


White Band Female - Smaller of the females


Purple Band - Largest of females