Critique my Buff Brahma Bantam?

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The Buff Brahma and the Light Brahma are identical in pattern, it is just that the White is replaced with Buff in the Buff Brahma.
So if you read the Standard for the Columbian pattern you will see that your above statement is half right.

This description is for Cocks and Hens.

Neck: Hackles -- web of feathers, lustrous, greenish black with a narrow lacing of Buff; greater portion of shaft black.

Tail: Main Tail -- black, except two top feathers, which are slightly laced in Buff.

Converts -- black, with narrow lacing of Buff.

Wing: Primaries -- black with Buff edging on lower webs.

Male --
Legs and Toes: Shank feathers Buff and Black; outer toe feathering, Buff and Black, where Black, laced with Buff; shank an toe Yellow.

Female --
Shank feathers, Buff; outer toe feathers, Buff and Black, laced with Buff; shank and toes Yellow.

Chris

Since I am still fairly new at this, I would appreciate understanding better which part of my statement you thought was incorrect.

What I was trying to say was that on the Buff Columbian pattern (which is what we're talking about on Buff Brahmas), the "buff" areas of the feathers on the hackles and the saddle are darker, more of a glossy chestnut than the matte buff which is found on the breast area of the males, and the only shade of buff on the females.

The painting in the SOP shows the rooster as a matte buff with the black markings - none of the glossy chestnut. This confused and dismayed me mightily when we first started, because that's not how our males looked. Further investigation has yielded a lot of prizewinning cocks and cockerels with the glossy chestnut tops, and literally zero examples of an all-matte buff columbian male chicken. The description in the standard, I agree, makes no mention of this.

One thing that has always puzzled me is whether if you did somehow produce a male with none of the chestnut tones, but only the matte buff, if that would be considered more desirable.
 
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The Buff Brahma and the Light Brahma are identical in pattern, it is just that the White is replaced with Buff in the Buff Brahma.
So if you read the Standard for the Columbian pattern you will see that your above statement is half right.

This description is for Cocks and Hens.

Neck: Hackles -- web of feathers, lustrous, greenish black with a narrow lacing of Buff; greater portion of shaft black.

Tail: Main Tail -- black, except two top feathers, which are slightly laced in Buff.

Converts -- black, with narrow lacing of Buff.

Wing: Primaries -- black with Buff edging on lower webs.

Male --
Legs and Toes: Shank feathers Buff and Black; outer toe feathering, Buff and Black, where Black, laced with Buff; shank an toe Yellow.

Female --
Shank feathers, Buff; outer toe feathers, Buff and Black, laced with Buff; shank and toes Yellow.

Chris

Since I am still fairly new at this, I would appreciate understanding better which part of my statement you thought was incorrect.

What I was trying to say was that on the Buff Columbian pattern (which is what we're talking about on Buff Brahmas), the "buff" areas of the feathers on the hackles and the saddle are darker, more of a glossy chestnut than the matte buff which is found on the breast area of the males, and the only shade of buff on the females.

The painting in the SOP shows the rooster as a matte buff with the black markings - none of the glossy chestnut. This confused and dismayed me mightily when we first started, because that's not how our males looked. Further investigation has yielded a lot of prizewinning cocks and cockerels with the glossy chestnut tops, and literally zero examples of an all-matte buff columbian male chicken. The description in the standard, I agree, makes no mention of this.

One thing that has always puzzled me is whether if you did somehow produce a male with none of the chestnut tones, but only the matte buff, if that would be considered more desirable.

First there are no "Black Columbian" pattern. ( it is a Columbian )
The hackles, tail, wing, shank and toe feather are not Black (as in solid Black) the Black Laced with Buff.

Now you said, "What I was trying to say was that on the Buff Columbian pattern (which is what we're talking about on Buff Brahmas)"
I know that. That is why I stated, "The Buff Brahma and the Light Brahma are identical in pattern, it is just that the White is replaced with Buff in the Buff Brahma."

If you dont mind where are you getting that the Males should be more a, "glossy chestnut" color?
The Color is Buff Columbian and if you look up Buff in the Standard it doesn't say anything about the Buff having a "glossy chestnut" color but just the opposite.

Buff:
A medium shade of Orange-Yellow color with a rich Gold cast; not so intense as to show a Reddish cast; nor so pale as to appear Lemon or light Yellow.

Buff Brahma Cock -
http://www.poultrypress.com/images/featherleg/BuffBrahmaBantammale.jpg

Buff Brahma and Light Brahma Hen --
http://www.poultrypress.com/images/featherleg/LightandBuffBrahmaBantamfemales.jpg



Chris
 
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The darker color on the hackles and saddle is appropriate for the male pattern, but the female pattern should be one single shade of buff and then the black columbian on the hackles, tail, and wing.

This is the correct pattern for a male:
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa132/farmpix/chickens/IMG_2956.jpg

This is one place where the pictures in the Standard of Perfection are deceiving.

These are very poor colored Brahma Bantams. they are orangey and the hackle and saddle are almost non-existant, the type on these males is not very good. I have had Buff and columbian Brahma for over 30 years.
 
If you would like to see some real Brahma bantams go to the Brahma thread and look at the Brahma that Tim has there with pictures. That is what a Brahma bantam should look like.
 
I assume you're talking about the pictures on this page from Tim63:

https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=169790&p=90
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(his female for comparison)
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The male is showing the same variation I'm talking about: a darker glossy "buff" on the feathers showing the columbian pattern, and also on the wings, and a lighter matte buff on the breast.

By contrast, the female is the lighter matte buff on all her buff places, including the feathers showing the columbian pattern.

In the Light variety, there are absolutely only two colors displayed, white and black. I've never seen a buff rooster with only one shade of buff. If you've got a counter example, I'd love a link.
 
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See, that's the same coloration I've been seeing in buff brahma pics- the darker shade of red, with the body being a buff color. I'm wondering if this is "correct"? If NOT correct, would someone please post pics of Brahma roosters that ARE CORRECT?
 

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