greenfire farms and whitmore farm

[EweSheep]

For that matter, I don't question Paul's dealing with importation with his Sussex in this country. Surely if he bought some off from Sandhill Preservation, someone will scream at him and call him a liar for adversizing that his Sussexes were imported when they are REALLY NOT imported. Now, come on! The type of the Sussexes are not like ours (USA)....his Sussexes are much bigger, more correct than the Sandhill's Sussexes which they are not big at all, more 'racey' in type and wrong leg colors or wrong feather patterns which it looks like a Delaware more than a Sussex.

He has imported several other breeds so I would give him the benefit of the doubt but I have nothing to lose from his birds originally. If Paul said you can go and find the information you are looking for under the Freedom Act, by all means, go ahead and find out.

OR if email is easier, contact the Aussie breeder and get his verification that he sold Paul those birds on that year.

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

Thank you EweSheep for stating what I was going to! lol!

There's not even a chance that anyone would assume these birds were not imported. You can instantly tell a well bred Sussex to a hatchery Sussex no problem. So why even assume that the birds were not imported?

 

[jlgoinggreen]

Hi,
I am considering purchasing some FBCM and Ameraucanas hatching eggs from the Whitmore Farm. Has anyone bought any of their birds recently? For those who have, how do you feel their quality is?

 

[Barry Natchitoches]

A dairy farmer friend of mine bought a bunch of Ameraucana and Welsummer straight runs as day old chicks from Whitmore Farms in spring of 2009.


Then last spring, I bought several of the hens from her. Some I kept for myself; some I gave to Cindiloohoo.


Cindiloohoo posted pics of the ones I gave her on this website and several other Ameraucana breeders came back and said they were not "perfect," but they were fine birds.


Well, I don't know what "perfect" or "true to the breed" or whatever means. I really got the feeling that they were nitpicking when they were critiquing the birds over on that other thread.


What I do know is that I have been extremely happy with the Ameraucana hens that I added to my own flock. They are docile, friendly birds, and they lay fine blue eggs. They are going on two years old now, but I am still getting several high quality eggs from each of the ladies every week.


Also, I know that when I asked my dairy farmer friend about Whitmore, she said that they were good people to buy from, and if/when she wants to buy more Ameraucana or Welsummers, that she would go back to them.

 

[EweSheep]

I've heard alot of positive reviews on Whitmore Farms than negative feedbacks. Each person has their own interpretation of what the Ameracuanas should look like. You can always take it to a show and if you have as good as the exhibition breeders have, you would never know where they came from unless you ask.

Will Morrow is a good person to talk to and he does his business well.

 

[jlgoinggreen]

Thank you.

 

[cubalaya]

would love a few delawares from whitmore. from what i have read they are using the albc method of choosing there breeders and have delawares that are ready to butcher in 12 weeks. would never order from greenfire as these birds are a fad: overpriced and overrated.

 

[ChooksChick]

I haven't had my coffee, so I can't hold my tongue properly...

That being said, I want to say that I don't think anyone was saying the birds weren't imported. I think that back then many of us were aware of what had happened to a couple of flocks that were seized because they weren't properly documented and had genes that were unusual, obviously imported as eggs or chicks.

When a well-known hobbyist gets their whole flock seized and destroyed, without appeal or recourse, anyone with freshly imported unusual genes could have something similar occur- UNLESS THEY HAD THE PAPERS TO SHOW THEY HAD STOCK THAT HAD GONE THROUGH THE CORRECT CHANNELS.

So: I don't think anyone was suggesting something wrong had occurred, but rather that they wanted the evidence for their own use that something had been done right.

Okay, off to

 

[dutchhollow]

as far as birds being seized or destroyed, they aren't selling imports, so there is not reason to go there. As far as Paul (whom I have never done business with) proving anything, apparently his birds are of a quality that people are willing to pay the price for. I would not (if I were him) take time to dig up old paperwork to satisfy a few, when many customers are in line waiting for my product.

 

[ChooksChick]

It's actually a very old thread, and at the time, the paperwork wouldn't have been old, nor were his birds as widespread as they are now. It would have been a relevant and valid request 2+ years ago when this was started.

There's no need now, except as new breeds are brought in, this thread should be considered with respect to the wants of potential customers.

I, personally, would want papers on the importation of the parent stock of any bird I'm paying a grip of money for which is a novel genetic strain for the US. If the stock was not considered unique I wouldn't feel that anxiety, but for unique stock, we might be asked to verify its importation procedural processing was correct, particularly with Avian Influenza making a recurrence. I think it's a perfectly valid request, and it would be only professional to comply. It might not be valid for the Sussex, but certainly for the newer breeds and varieties, it should be offered- and there's precedent here in this thread for potential customers requesting it, so the 'I didn't think of keeping it' point isn't valid.

I personally think it's important to listen to customers' concerns and desires, as it bodes well for my future business. I am happy to go a bit further if they ask, because I like to be treated that way as a customer. What comes around...