Historic Presence of Jungle Fowl in the American Deep South

[Florida Bullfrog]

Is it possible to get shipped fertile eggs from your improved Crackers? The photos and video look remarkably like the chickens my Grandpa Shook had 60 years ago when I fell in love with chickens for the first time.

These days I only provide them within Florida. Although not many regulators care much about hatching eggs going over state lines, I keep them in state so as to stay above board in all I do. There’s no restrictions on shipping them or otherwise moving them around in-state.

 

[Chicken Heel]

These days I only provide them within Florida. Although not many regulators care much about hatching eggs going over state lines, I keep them in state so as to stay above board in all I do. There’s no restrictions on shipping them or otherwise moving them around in-state.

Unfortunately I reside along the central VA/NC border but I understand and respect your protocol.

 

[E flowers]

Question. I've read you book and it's really good but I was curious if you've seen what game breeds other than your own have the good eyeshine and crepuscular wake/sleep cycle?

I'm looking into the bigger breeds specifically like asil, shamo, indio gigante, American and Spanish game, duckwing pheonix, sumatra, Liege/bruges fighter, Thai, and Malay game.

 

[Florida Bullfrog]

Question. I've read you book and it's really good but I was curious if you've seen what game breeds other than your own have the good eyeshine and crepuscular wake/sleep cycle?

I'm looking into the bigger breeds specifically like asil, shamo, indio gigante, American and Spanish game, duckwing pheonix, sumatra, Liege/bruges fighter, Thai, and Malay game.

The oriental games, hands down seem to consistently have the strongest eyeshine. That would be the asil, shamo, Thai, and Malays.

Where things get very special is when you cross the orientals together. Many oriental breeders are loth to do this, as the orientals are perceived to have long pedigrees of purity to their own subtypes. However, I subscribe to the theory that the more you mix oriental types, the more it puts them in a state of nature back to whatever the original oriental ancestor was.

Its the mixed orientals that I have produced that end up being more directly carnivorous and doers of unusual behaviors such as foraging/hunting at night and more recently, wading pond edges like a water bird.

Have you followed my terrorfowl thread here?

 

[E flowers]

The oriental games, hands down seem to consistently have the strongest eyeshine. That would be the asil, shamo, Thai, and Malays.

Where things get very special is when you cross the orientals together. Many oriental breeders are loth to do this, as the orientals are perceived to have long pedigrees of purity to their own subtypes. However, I subscribe to the theory that the more you mix oriental types, the more it puts them in a state of nature back to whatever the original oriental ancestor was.

Its the mixed orientals that I have produced that end up being more directly carnivorous and doers of unusual behaviors such as foraging/hunting at night and more recently, wading pond edges like a water bird.

Have you followed my terrorfowl thread here?

I have not. But I'll check it out. Thanks for the info!
I'm considering creating a more wild breed like you have. Focusing on predator awareness and flight ability but also good foragers and friendly with people. I would also be focusing on color. I really like the dull browns, they remind me of whitetail deer.

 

[E flowers]

I have a little golden duckwing pheonix x Golden Comet x Easter egger cross that's pretty much the color I'd be aiming for.

 

[Florida Bullfrog]

I have not. But I'll check it out. Thanks for the info!
I'm considering creating a more wild breed like you have. Focusing on predator awareness and flight ability but also good foragers and friendly with people. I would also be focusing on color. I really like the dull browns, they remind me of whitetail deer.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/th...ee-range-survival-junglefowl-x-liege.1424023/

It started as an idea to cross my Crackers with Liege fighters. It morphed into crossing the Liege with orientals. The first batch was Liege crossed to black sonatol aseel. The subsequent generations were prone to Marek’s disease. The only way I salvaged the line was by crossing Cracker into them. It made a tough, black, American-gamefowl looking chicken that has been thriving on my farm, but isn’t the head turning dino chicken I want.

The next group was Liege to Thai/aseel (the Thai x aseel hybrid I got from a member here). Those have been great and have been the dino chickens I’ve been looking for and I’m working to set the line.

The Liege x aseel x Cracker line I discuss more here in this thread, which contains many peoples’ free range project lines.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/landrace-adaptive-breeding-discussion.1624350/

 

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https://www.backyardchickens.com/th...ee-range-survival-junglefowl-x-liege.1424023/

It started as an idea to cross my Crackers with Liege fighters. It morphed into crossing the Liege with orientals. The first batch was Liege crossed to black sonatol aseel. The subsequent generations were prone to Marek’s disease. The only way I salvaged the line was by crossing Cracker into them. It made a tough, black, American-gamefowl looking chicken that has been thriving on my farm, but isn’t the head turning dino chicken I want.

The next group was Liege to Thai/aseel (the Thai x aseel hybrid I got from a member here). Those have been great and have been the dino chickens I’ve been looking for and I’m working to set the line.

The Liege x aseel x Cracker line I discuss more here in this thread, which contains many peoples’ free range project lines.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/landrace-adaptive-breeding-discussion.1624350/

I suppose my goal would be to create a landrace for my area NC. Easter Eggers seem to have the brown color I'm looking for but I'm not sure I care for the beard/muffs so I'd probably be hand selecting chicks without that.

My current adult roosters have A large Mediterranean comb and my oldest roo with the largest comb got very close to getting frostbite this past month. So I'll be downsizing the single combs most likely.

 

[E flowers]

I suppose my goal would be to create a landrace for my area NC. Easter Eggers seem to have the brown color I'm looking for but I'm not sure I care for the beard/muffs so I'd probably be hand selecting chicks without that.

My current adult roosters have A large Mediterranean comb and my oldest roo with the largest comb got very close to getting frostbite this past month. So I'll be downsizing the single combs most likely.

My newest roo just coming into his spurrs has a decent comb that so far is the smallest. He's golden duckwing pheonix x Golden Comet x Black copper marans (father) crossed with golden duckwing pheonix x Golden Comet x crested cream legbar (mother).

 

[E flowers]

Do you know much about the coloration of these roosters?
Normally I'd think it wasn't possible to get browns like this in roosters but I recently came across these.

I suppose I'm used to the normal sexual dimorphism.