International Black Copper Marans Thread - Breeding to the SOP

[wrathsfarm]

@ozmarans
Chloe (Kong x Momma) and her 8 littles.
7 of these are Kong x Solo (BSM)
1 is head spot (blue band) unknown Dam I kept from incubator hatch.
Just some early observation...I've noticed how much darker blue band is as well as the copper tinge on the shoulders. The second pic shows the noticable head spot.
@BlueTheBrahma and I were discussing this head spot and if there's any relation to this being gender related? I've gotten 2 previous and both were males.

 

[wrathsfarm]

I'm going to make a hard attempt today to get some pics of the 2 boys I kept from last year. Would love to hear everyone's thoughts on them now.
The pic below is an older pic just to refresh and their tails have got higher which is disappointing. Yellow/Orange band seems to be the better of the 2 in my eyes.


Jan 31

 

[BlueTheBrahma]

A history of tails in my marans (an odd title, I know).
Loki, my F0 cock had a very big, tall and squirrel tail from a young age, still held at 90 degrees.

My Black Copper F0 hen, Natasha, has a low, pointy tail, the best of the F0s

However, I’ve hatched cockerels from her and they’ve all had squirrel tails.

(this guy had yellow legs, that’s why I didn’t keep him despite his longer body).

My F0 blue copper hen, Chanel as a small, pointy tail but it’s high, not squirrel but about 70 degrees usually.

Her daughter, Esme, had an even higher but even tidier tail (Loki was the sire).

But then I bred Esme back to Loki, assuming I’d probably get really high tails, but Napoleon, the F2 cockerel has not got squirrel tail, despite being bred from a squirrel tail cock and highest tailed hen, who is related to him.
His tail is high still, like Esme and Chanel, but it is not higher than 80 degrees. In the first photo he was a bit alert, but he was relaxed in the second. Usually it’s in the middle of these.

I just find it odd that my hen with the best tail produced only bad tailed cockles, yet my highest tail hen produced the best cockerel (still needs improvement obviously). Maybe it’s because he’s an F2, so better genes have had the chance to arrange themselves.

 

[BlueTheBrahma]

I'm going to make a hard attempt today to get some pics of the 2 boys I kept from last year. Would love to hear everyone's thoughts on them now.
The pic below is an older pic just to refresh and their tails have got higher which is disappointing. Yellow/Orange band seems to be the better of the 2 in my eyes.


Jan 31
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Red and yellow was the one I liked when they were quite young and he was the biggest, right?

And then green was the one we picked when we sorted through the rest of them?

 

[wrathsfarm]

Yes... Y/O (Momma) was the first stand out. W/G (Raven) was basically just the best of the rest.

 

[BlueTheBrahma]

Yes... Y/O (Momma) was the first stand out. W/G (Raven) was basically just the best of the rest.

yes I thought so. I recall that non of the others had quite the same character about them. I can’t explain what I mean by character, but there’s just something they lacked that Y/O and Kong have in terms of carriage, impression and expression.
If that makes any sense at all.

 

[wrathsfarm]

yes I thought so. I recall that non of the others had quite the same character about them. I can’t explain what I mean by character, but there’s just something they lacked that Y/O and Kong have in terms of carriage, impression and expression.
If that makes any sense at all.

Most of them were V shaped. Type and tails has been the constant struggle.
Luckily I have a couple customers that love my boys...

 

[Auntiejessi3]

Not the best unobstructed pic of Langdon, but looking for some insight on him... He is 7 months old

 

[ozmarans]

@ozmarans
Chloe (Kong x Momma) and her 8 littles.
7 of these are Kong x Solo (BSM)
1 is head spot (blue band) unknown Dam I kept from incubator hatch.
Just some early observation...I've noticed how much darker blue band is as well as the copper tinge on the shoulders. The second pic shows the noticable head spot.
@BlueTheBrahma and I were discussing this head spot and if there's any relation to this being gender related? I've gotten 2 previous and both were males.


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so for all what we know about the coppery spot on the chicks head is "the purity of the strain " no muchwork is done to explain why is there ,pullets or cockerels both can have the coppery dot ,so it is not sex relatted,
Ozmarans

 

[ozmarans]

A history of tails in my marans (an odd title, I know).
Loki, my F0 cock had a very big, tall and squirrel tail from a young age, still held at 90 degrees.
View attachment 4104418View attachment 4104419
My Black Copper F0 hen, Natasha, has a low, pointy tail, the best of the F0sView attachment 4104415
However, I’ve hatched cockerels from her and they’ve all had squirrel tails.View attachment 4104416(this guy had yellow legs, that’s why I didn’t keep him despite his longer body).

My F0 blue copper hen, Chanel as a small, pointy tail but it’s high, not squirrel but about 70 degrees usually.
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Her daughter, Esme, had an even higher but even tidier tail (Loki was the sire).View attachment 4104414

But then I bred Esme back to Loki, assuming I’d probably get really high tails, but Napoleon, the F2 cockerel has not got squirrel tail, despite being bred from a squirrel tail cock and highest tailed hen, who is related to him.
His tail is high still, like Esme and Chanel, but it is not higher than 80 degrees. In the first photo he was a bit alert, but he was relaxed in the second. Usually it’s in the middle of these.View attachment 4104411View attachment 4104427

I just find it odd that my hen with the best tail produced only bad tailed cockles, yet my highest tail hen produced the best cockerel (still needs improvement obviously). Maybe it’s because he’s an F2, so better genes have had the chance to arrange themselves.

the reason for all this variation of producing different tail is,
1 the parent stock are not bred true for the high tail gene ,they have high tail but only in one chomozome .

2 even if one parant stock look like they have low tail ,doesn t mean they will produce 100% low tail ,not bredtrue .
so genes are combining differently with each other givin you dofferent result ,

too me years of obsevation and teste mating to find out what formula or pairing work to give me low tail progeny now I have very few with high tail.
if you have one parent stock with low tail you should cross back it progeny to it ,to reinforce the low tail genes,
Ozmarans