International Black Copper Marans Thread - Breeding to the SOP

[Antiocheggers]

The birchen pattern on which BCMs are based naturally codes for laced copper on the breast, but the BCM SOP calls for a solid black breast in hens. Therefore work is done in BCM lines to correct this that isn’t necessary in other patterns.

As a result, the F1s might have copper in their breast that shouldn’t be there.

I hope that makes sense. I can grab photos if it will help.

Yes, that's alot clearer. What is F1
Yes pictures would be great

 

[BlueTheBrahma]

Yes, that's alot clearer. What is F1
Yes pictures would be great

F1 means the first generation cross. F0 are your starter birds, then the number increases each generation.

 

[BlueTheBrahma]

This is what the front of a BCM hen should be.

this is an impure for BCM, see how that copper is more yellow and laces the black breast feathers. That’s the difference that might pop up when crossing the two varieties, though of course you can fix this down the line.

 

[Antiocheggers]

View attachment 4107417This is what the front of a BCM hen should be.View attachment 4107418this is an impure for BCM, see how that copper is more yellow and laces the black breast feathers. That’s the difference that might pop up when crossing the two varieties, though of course you can fix this down the line.

#1 is very beautiful. I get now so how do you fix it .so my girls 3 are French Black Marans and then grey one .

 

[Antiocheggers]

View attachment 4107417This is what the front of a BCM hen should be.View attachment 4107418this is an impure for BCM, see how that copper is more yellow and laces the black breast feathers. That’s the difference that might pop up when crossing the two varieties, though of course you can fix this down the line.

Tell #2 she still loved

 

[BlueTheBrahma]

#1 is very beautiful. I get now so how do you fix it .so my girls 3 are French Black Marans and then grey one . View attachment 4107469

It’s a matter of selecting the best offspring and breeding them back to their mothers (if you want to breeds BCMs for show). I’d say we see how they look when they’re older and decide the right direction, because you may be lucky.

 

[BlueTheBrahma]

Tell #2 she still loved

She’s dead….

I mean I’ll pass on the message!

Edit: she has a grave so I can still let her know.

 

[Antiocheggers]

She’s dead….

I mean I’ll pass on the message!

Oh no how sad . I hate it when that happens. I lost 4 in the last 6 months.

 

[BlueTheBrahma]

Oh no how sad . I hate it when that happens. I lost 4 in the last 6 months.

I’ve lost a dozen or so in that time. Had a strange night where 9 died. No marks (though I didn’t get to see the bodies) and all one pen. All my Polish Batam hens died that night so I’m left with only Slash, the cock, who somehow bullies 8 lbs cocks in the layers pen.

 

[Antiocheggers]

It’s a matter of selecting the best offspring and breeding them back to their mothers (if you want to breeds BCMs for show). I’d say we see how they look when they’re older and decide the right direction, because you may be lucky.

NO i don't think so about doing shows. But, you have been very informative and I appreciate you taking the time to explain this to me.