Inventions To Thank Pagans For

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mom'sfolly :

Stonehenge also required organized labor and shipping stone a fair distance.
The anceint Egytians and Chinese had well-developed bureaucracies, and the Chinese system was merit based, with civil service exams.
Calendars of many different types were invented by pagans of all sorts, and so was time keeping in general.
Brick, pottery and iron smelting; all pagan inventions

Great, now bureaucracies are considered impressive!

Frankly, the pyramids were wasteful monuments to the royal ego. Anything built from slave labor does not impress me too much. Oh, there's something we can thank pagans for! Slavery!

Alright, I'll quit. I just about fell over laughing at the bureaucracy thing.​

 

[Rusty Hills Farm]

In everything that mattered at that time, Europe was way ahead of the rest of the world, which was downright backwards in comparison.

How about this notion: How about it's not an "either/or" proposition. Most of the major inventions and discoveries were made in various forms at various times all over the world. No one place "cornered the market" so to speak. Instead all over the world we built on each other's discoveries and ideas and improved/perfected them. That still holds true today, BTW. Genius is not confined or limited to one geographic locale or political/religious affiliation, but rather springs up in all four corners of the planet--probably because on a subatomic particle level, we are all related. After all "matter can neither be created nor destroyed." What was here in the beginning is here now and will still be here eons from now. The universe just endlessly recycles everything--including us. Which means in the abstract we all share the same makeup, so of course we share the same inventiveness and creativity.

JMO anyhow.


Rusty​

 

[Goose and Fig]

Well- the "non-pagans" sure liked the whole slavery thing. Enough to go to war over it.

The Egyptians invented the ox-driven plow, and the thermometer. And paper. And black ink. And the sail.

 

[Goose and Fig]

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How about this notion: How about it's not an "either/or" proposition. Most of the major inventions and discoveries were made in various forms at various times all over the world. No one place "cornered the market" so to speak. Instead all over the world we built on each other's discoveries and ideas and improved/perfected them. That still holds true today, BTW. Genius is not confined or limited to one geographic locale or political/religious affiliation, but rather springs up in all four corners of the planet--probably because on a subatomic particle level, we are all related. After all "matter can neither be created nor destroyed." What was here in the beginning is here now and will still be here eons from now. The universe just endlessly recycles everything--including us. Which means in the abstract we all share the same makeup, so of course we share the same inventiveness and creativity.

JMO anyhow.


Rusty

Agreed.

 

[mom'sfolly]

Not to start a religious war but at the same time the Aztecs were offering sacrifices to their gods, Christians in Europe were putting thousands of non-believers to torture and death. Witch burnings in Europe reached the hundreds of thousands. When you start comparing killings for religous reasons, you lose; no-one wins this evil game.

Bureaucracy can drive you crazy, but it also runs everything. China had the first civil service exams, along with the idea that people should be advanced by merit, not birthright.

The wheel has been found in Aztec and Incan toys, they just didn't use it for much else.

It's hard to know what American cultures might have offered to the world. They were pretty effectively wiped out with 90-99% of the pre-Columbian population dying from imported diseases.

Additionally, the Chinese, Indians and Arabic world used the compass for navagation before 1100 a.d.

Back to the idea of this thread....

Pagans invented ocean going vessels.

 

[mom'sfolly]

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[HippieChickens]

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[GrayDragon]

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You've got your time lines mixed up considerably and you've mixed a considerably amount of fantasy and propaganda in with your history.

 

[GrayDragon]

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*Stares blankly* Santa Claus is based on the actual Saint Nick, but was popularized in the mid-1800's by an atheist.

Actually, much of the Saint Nick 'mythos' is based in large part on Odin.

 

[HippieChickens]

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