Nutritional Requirements - Ducks vs Chickens

[casportpony]

There have definitely been studies that bird fed bread get angel wing. I found quite a number of those. Bread isn't particularly high in protein, it is high in carbohydrates. High caloric intake is linked to faster growth from what I've read, and that is definitely a factor in AW.

We need to gather up all of the studies!

Bashing on All Flock and Flock Raiser because they're too high in protein doesn't make sense.

I agree.

The link between protein and AW is anecdotal

Agree. 27% here and no angel wing.

the link between bread and AW is pretty definitive.

I would like to see some of those studies if you can find them.

 

[Miss Lydia]

My feed is 20% and never had a case of angel wing.

 

[chickens really]

Bottom line is some get the condition and others don't.
No proof as to the actual cause. I had one with Angel wing and fed the same as all 200 or more Ducklings have been fed.....Simply it happens and might not be Feed but a genetic component too...

 

[HelplessHomeSteader]

I blend a mix of chicken start 24%( cause I had 40lbs left), Purina flock raiser crumbles, rolled oats, wheat bran, grits, white proso millet, black oil sun flower seeds, and Brewers yeast. I feed it straight up to my mix flock free choice and also fermented. I give them peas, zucchini, cucumbers, and tomato scrapes left over from my restaurant. I also spike there water with ACV and occasionally liquid vitamin B from TSC. They free range all day and have never had any issues.

 

[TSOWOATNKC]

This is a study related to protein consumption and Angel wing in Masked Boobies, and it references other studies of protein consumption in other waterfowl species:
http://www.cebc.cnrs.fr/publipdf/2012/PWJO124_2012.pdf


I'm working on pulling up more.

T-2 toxin and antioxidants:
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/09712119.2017.1301257

Nutrition and Sandhill Cranes:
https://sora.unm.edu/sites/default/files/journals/condor/v084n04/p0427-p0434.pdf

 

[KikisFlock]

Would be nice if we could see how they compare to each other instead of having to find each value on two charts... following

Are you meaning side by side one column chicken vs one column duck per age?
I can do this.

 

[KikisFlock]

If I were so darn lazy I would make a chart, lol.

EKKKK! I'll do it!

 

[casportpony]

EKKKK! I'll do it!

please!

 

[TSOWOATNKC]

A paper on angel wing in a raptor with some pretty interesting information:
https://www.gwexotics.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Case-report-Angel-wing-in-raptors.pdf

 

[KikisFlock]

So for ducks we have data for age ranges:
0-2 weeks
2-7 weeks and then
Breeder

Chickens we have
0-6 weeks
6-12 weeks
12-18 weeks
18 +

Should I include both white and brown layer numbers?