Orpington Genetics/Breeding

[kwarren6271]

Lavender x red

 

[Amer]

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[kwarren6271]

I'm using my cell

 

[Amer]

Lavender x red

Oh darn now I am really curious because I recently asked exactly what Lavender plus Mahogany looked like because I had never seen it but nobody had an answer so I figured maybe the genes were never combined (without additional dilutions) before.

 

[Amer]

Sorry for the runon sentences. Anyway, I do stand corrected, you're right.
I still think "lemon cuckoo" on Google is just buff cuckoo though.

 

[BuergsChickens]

I appreciate all of the information, I understand it takes a few generations to get any real results, but then for a solid lemon would it be better to just breed reds to Lavenders or would it work to breed Isabel to reds or buffs?

 

[Slothinc]

I hope it is okay to post this here because of all of the talking about lemon cuckoos… I have been really curious about the genetics of “lemon cuckoo” but haven’t been able to find a whole lot. I have a beautiful lemon cuckoo silkie pullet (from shipped eggs) and I had been wondering if she is simply a buff with barring. From this thread it sounds like she is a dilute red?

My main question is just wondering what I can breed her to because I don’t have any buffs. I do have some lavenders that I could breed to her. Would that produce leaky black chicks (sex linked with the males being cuckoo) in the first generation and then when those are bred to lavender, would half of the chicks be blue cream? Or am I pretty far off with this? Im guessing it wouldn’t be great to breed her to black or paint? Those 2 and lavender are really the only colors I have to work with. Attaching a couple pictures. Would appreciate any insight!

 

[Amer]

I hope it is okay to post this here because of all of the talking about lemon cuckoos… I have been really curious about the genetics of “lemon cuckoo” but haven’t been able to find a whole lot. I have a beautiful lemon cuckoo silkie pullet (from shipped eggs) and I had been wondering if she is simply a buff with barring. From this thread it sounds like she is a dilute red?

My main question is just wondering what I can breed her to because I don’t have any buffs. I do have some lavenders that I could breed to her. Would that produce leaky black chicks (sex linked with the males being cuckoo) in the first generation and then when those are bred to lavender, would half of the chicks be blue cream? Or am I pretty far off with this? Im guessing it wouldn’t be great to breed her to black or paint? Those 2 and lavender are really the only colors I have to work with. Attaching a couple pictures. Would appreciate any insight!

I'm not seeing the cuckoo, but I also don't know how buff cuckoo would look on Silkies.
Just so you know, buff is Dilute red so if she does have cuckoo gene she would be buff Cuckoo.
You shouldn't cross her with anything black based. Buy a buff Silkie or a red Silkie.

 

[Amer]

Breeding her to lavender would be a worse idea than breeding her to black because you will get recessive Lavender birds in future generations.

 

[Slothinc]

I'm not seeing the cuckoo, but I also don't know how buff cuckoo would look on Silkies.
Just so you know, buff is Dilute red so if she does have cuckoo gene she would be buff Cuckoo.
You shouldn't cross her with anything black based. Buy a buff Silkie or a red Silkie.

Thank you @Amer ! I am 95% sure she is cuckoo since she came from a lemon cuckoo pen, and has the bright red comb and white skin and light eyes. I feel like when she was younger the faint barring was a little easier to see. I guess I will have to do some test breedings to see if she has any barred sons to make sure that she indeed is cuckoo.

Knowing that she is buff though, is helpful, as I have been told how to make blue cream - by breeding buff to lavender and then back to lavender to dilute the black and buff leakage… it takes many generations. I don’t think I’ll be adding any buffs or reds to the flock as I am short on space and already have other colors that I am working on. Her type is much better than most of my silkies so it would be helpful to be able to breed her in to eventually have lavender based blue cream (aka porcelain in other breeds). I guess I could just try it and if it isn’t working, give up on incorporating her genes into my projects.