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Lol the dog lived as I said it will make them very ill. However if my cat eats rat poison she will not live. Thanks this article just confirmed what I know, and I don't live in either of these states mentioned and the can is not marked this way. I don't dump poison and I'm glad they die so quickly as I don't like when they suffer for hours on end. That is cruel. Also I was very clear about all this in my recommendation including not just leaving it out all the time. That's why I said use a container with a removable lid. This is the kind of stuff that causes problems. I use fly bait because I can regulate it fully unlike solid baits that are usually taken by the rodents back to their nests. Once they take it you no longer have control of the situation you don't know if they ate it or dropped it on the way or hid it in your walls. It could be anywhere. I know where my poison is and I decide when to put it there. I also know that when I tell my neighbors ill get it at 7am tomorrow morning that I can do that and know their pets won't wander over and find remnants later. Plus the poisoned animal is laying right there so you can dispose of it properly and know your pets won't be hunting half dead poisoned critters. So, from that perspective yeah I think I'm perfectly okay with using this when I need to.
 
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I hope you aren't under the assumption that rat poison only kills rats. We've already covered all this feel free to read the rest of the quotes
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Which is why many build to control rats and use other methods of control. Read all of the quotes including yours indicating that Golden Malrin does not kill cats or dogs - that is mis information and might cause someone reading this thread serious problems. Strycnine and cyanide are also indiscriminate killers and are illegal in most areas. Trying to help others here.
 
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Both poisons sell at your local WalMart and if you followed the link it does not kill dogs. This poison is so fast acting the dog would have died before it even made it to the vet. However I still make it perfectly clear that it can still make them seriously ill. My main point is poison is dangerous. Use something you can monitor and regulate. And rat poison isn't illegal, and it's impossible to regulate. The animals often die later in places we cannot get to. This solves all these problems. Also I notify all my neighbors before I put it out and tell them exact time it will be put down and picked up. This is a courtesy considering where I live I have the right to shoot or kill someone's pet to protect my flock. Luckily I haven't had any problems with this. All my neighbors are really great. They keep their pets in and safe, and we sort of have a schedule to work together to prevent this. My neighbors know when my chickens are free range and about what time I let them out and lock them up. Everyone works together to provide the safest environment for all the animals. So honestly even though I disagree with leaving poison out constantly and do everything I can to protect pets it is ultimately the owners responsibility to keep their pet safe and on their own property. My neighbor had to shoot a dog a couple years ago for attacking his cows. The lady who owned the dog knew him very well and he had been calling her to collect it and the other dog when they would venture into his fields. His calf almost died and she lost her beloved pet. Both people felt horrible at the situation, but she also understands he did what he could to avoid the situation. As sad as it is that's the reality. With slower acting poisons that only increases the risk. You then have to worry about someone's dog or cat eating a dying animal and becoming poisoned themselves. My chickens are a food source for my family, and I am very diligent about protecting them. Maybe some people are okay with rats and other creatures raiding their coops but I am not. Rats carry several deadly diseases making their presence a risk. I do not agree with risking my health over an animals. Any kind of poison is dangerous and should be used with caution and precaution. Out of curiosity how would you get rid of rat infestation. A trap will work if you get the first one, but once it kills them the others know what it is. That's if it kills them. I've had to kill rats stuck in traps I've had them get into the floors/ walls with the trap and die. Then someone talked me into using fly bait and it is much more humane. They die within seconds minimizing suffering and they are right there making for easy clean up and safer disposal. I guess every situation is different, but I try to keep all the creatures in mind. If I have to kill something I am at least going to be as quick and clean as possible about it. That's just me. Some people might not look at it this way, but to each his own. Coons killed my dad's entire flock twice. And living near a Creek I often have rats try to move in. So I did my homework and found the best possible solution. It's quick and easy to manage. I don't have to worry about busting a hole in something or my cat eating a rat that ate slower acting poison and getting sick herself. You are quick to bash a solution but not so quick to offer alternatives. Other people want to debate which poison. I refuse to use rat poison because once you put it out you no longer have control of the situation. Other methods are not so effective. So out of curiosity and for conversation what would you do? I am curious if you've thought of something I haven't tried yet.
 
Sweetie what do you think rat poison is? It is cyanide which is strict 9. And it is not indiscriminate. Read the ingredients on your rat poison. As I said this is very slow acting. Rats do not go lay down when they are sick they keep going until they drop dead making it easier for pets to kill them and risking their lives as well. Rats are not mammals they are rodents. I had to pull my dead cat out from under my parents bed I will never forget that. His eyes were wide open as well as his mouth. He had green foam all around his mouth, and it was very clear he suffered a horrible death. I will never do that again. And refused to use any kind of poison for the longest time. I thought maybe you had a better solution, but it seems you don't even know exactly what you are putting out. The poison you are saying is safe can kill you just from handling it too much. I don't have to touch this stuff and everything is in one spot for easy clean up reducing risk. Thanks for your answer but I've tried that and I still feel this is better than that. And I gave up on traps after the last one disappeared into my floor with the rat only for my daughter to ask a few days later what that smell was, and I had to explain to her what happened and put a big hole in my floor. I would gather that rat suffered and I know the one before that did when my fiance had to kill it with an arrow because it's leg was part ripped off and it was bleeding everywhere. My homework was experience. I tried everything else I could think of and this was the best solution I found.
 
Chics........

Since you asked, you may find these Q&A's helpful. This from an outfit that sells both, plus an entire spectrum of such professional exterminator grade products......

https://www.domyown.com/golden-malrin-fly-bait-questions-pq-438.html

Keep in mind, in answer to all these questions, the reference is to use of this product in it's powder form......not mixed with coke, water, etc. Do that and the equation changes and the product gets lethal in a hurry. Then you do find stuff.....rats, coons, dogs, etc. dead with their face still in the soup.

And then.......

https://www.domyown.com/rat-p-4482.html

https://www.domyown.com/terad3-blox-p-1283.html

In nearly all cases, the only recommended way to present these baits to rats is from within tamper proof bait boxes. In the case of the blocks, they are pinned within.....so rats cannot remove them. And also read what they say about secondary poisoning to pets, etc. How many rats a dog would have to eat......if they eat them at all.

Bottom line is one method is banned in some states and not approved of in any for use to kill animals, including rats.......the other is sold specifically for use on rats and such.

BTW, I'm not trying to change your mind on this. But I would encourage others who are still on the fence and thinking about it to do their research, consider the weight of evidence and then......and only then........decide which route they want to go.
 
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