The "Ask Anything" to Nicalandia Thread

[NatJ]

@NatJ @nicalandia

How I’m the world did I produce silver gingers? Dad is a Fawn Silver Duckwing OEGB and mom was a Porcelain OEGB

I'm not familiar with what "Silver Ginger" is, but looking at the photos I think most of what happened is:

Dad (Fawn Silver Ducwking OEGB) gave the genes for Silver Duckwing, with some chicks probably inheriting the Fawn part and some not. (I don't notice Fawn in the pictures you included.)

Mom (Porcelain OEGB) gave a dominant gene for Columbian, which reduces the amount of black in the birds (especially obvious in the breast of the male, which is obviously not black).

Mom gave one recessive gene for lavender and one recessive gene for mottling, but neither of those is visible in the chicks.

Mom also gave a recessive gene for gold to her sons, which is probably why the male's hackle and saddle feathers yellowish rather than a clean silver color white. This would not affect the females among the mixed chicks.

I'm not sure what other genes may be involved, if any, but I think that accounts for most of the visible traits in the pictures.

 

[WingItRanch]

Hi! I have a Blue Australorp and when she was younger, she had very consistent coloring but I noticed she's getting black spots coming through. She's approx 7 months old and has been laying eggs for a month.

You can see in the 2nd pic some black spots on the back and tip of the tail.

Is this normal for "blues?" Will she get more black when she goes through her first adult molt?

 

[Amer]

I'm not familiar with what "Silver Ginger" is, but looking at the photos I think most of what happened is:

Dad (Fawn Silver Ducwking OEGB) gave the genes for Silver Duckwing, with some chicks probably inheriting the Fawn part and some not. (I don't notice Fawn in the pictures you included.)

Mom (Porcelain OEGB) gave a dominant gene for Columbian, which reduces the amount of black in the birds (especially obvious in the breast of the male, which is obviously not black).

Mom gave one recessive gene for lavender and one recessive gene for mottling, but neither of those is visible in the chicks.

Mom also gave a recessive gene for gold to her sons, which is probably why the male's hackle and saddle feathers yellowish rather than a clean silver color white. This would not affect the females among the mixed chicks.

I'm not sure what other genes may be involved, if any, but I think that accounts for most of the visible traits in the pictures.

Silver ginger is silver duckwing with Dark Brown/Ginger. Considering that Columbian is similar to Db it's no surprise the result looks similar.

 

[Egg Snatcher]

I'm not familiar with what "Silver Ginger" is, but looking at the photos I think most of what happened is:

Dad (Fawn Silver Ducwking OEGB) gave the genes for Silver Duckwing, with some chicks probably inheriting the Fawn part and some not. (I don't notice Fawn in the pictures you included.)

Mom (Porcelain OEGB) gave a dominant gene for Columbian, which reduces the amount of black in the birds (especially obvious in the breast of the male, which is obviously not black).

Mom gave one recessive gene for lavender and one recessive gene for mottling, but neither of those is visible in the chicks.

Mom also gave a recessive gene for gold to her sons, which is probably why the male's hackle and saddle feathers yellowish rather than a clean silver color white. This would not affect the females among the mixed chicks.

I'm not sure what other genes may be involved, if any, but I think that accounts for most of the visible traits in the pictures.

Thank you very much!

 

[Egg Snatcher]

Silver ginger is silver duckwing with Dark Brown/Ginger. Considering that Columbian is similar to Db it's no surprise the result looks similar.

Thanks!

 

[Egg Snatcher]

I'm not familiar with what "Silver Ginger" is, but looking at the photos I think most of what happened is:

Dad (Fawn Silver Ducwking OEGB) gave the genes for Silver Duckwing, with some chicks probably inheriting the Fawn part and some not. (I don't notice Fawn in the pictures you included.)

Mom (Porcelain OEGB) gave a dominant gene for Columbian, which reduces the amount of black in the birds (especially obvious in the breast of the male, which is obviously not black).

Mom gave one recessive gene for lavender and one recessive gene for mottling, but neither of those is visible in the chicks.

Mom also gave a recessive gene for gold to her sons, which is probably why the male's hackle and saddle feathers yellowish rather than a clean silver color white. This would not affect the females among the mixed chicks.

I'm not sure what other genes may be involved, if any, but I think that accounts for most of the visible traits in the pictures.

I was thinking about this last night. If porcelain carries a gold gene why when breeding porcelain to porcelain do you not get some chicks that hatch out Millie Fleur? Is it because only the males get the gold gene?

 

[NagemTX]

I was thinking about this last night. If porcelain carries a gold gene why when breeding porcelain to porcelain do you not get some chicks that hatch out Millie Fleur? Is it because only the males get the gold gene?

If it carries just one then that would be a yes. That may not be how it should be tho. That would mean that hens should be S and cocks should be S/s+. If hens where s+ and cocks where S/s+ you would still end up with some that are pure silver on the hen side only I believe.

 

[Amer]

I was thinking about this last night. If porcelain carries a gold gene why when breeding porcelain to porcelain do you not get some chicks that hatch out Millie Fleur? Is it because only the males get the gold gene?

Porcelain always has the gold gene which is why it's yellowish. It doesn't carry it it is homozygous. But Porcelain also is homozygous for the lavender gene which dilutes gold to cream.

 

[Amer]

The difference between porcelain and mille fleur is lavender, not gold.

 

[NatJ]

I was thinking about this last night. If porcelain carries a gold gene why when breeding porcelain to porcelain do you not get some chicks that hatch out Millie Fleur? Is it because only the males get the gold gene?

Porcelain and Mille Fleur are gold, in both males and females.

The difference between the two varieties is the lavender gene (dilutes black to light gray and gold to a light yellow/cream). Because the lavender gene is recessive, you only see a porcelain bird if it has two lavender genes. When you breed two porcelains to each other, each parent has two lavender genes, each chick inherits two lavender genes, and each chick is also porcelain in color.

If you breed Porcelain to a normal Mille Fleur (no lavender gene), all chicks should look Mille Fleur but carry the lavender gene. Breeding those chicks to each other or back to Porcelain would give some Porcelain (two lavender genes) and some Mille Fleur (one or no lavender genes.)