Water treatment - Chlorine Dioxide

[Altairsky]

My chickens free range and they drink from the most rotten, stinkiest puddles. Never had a problem.
I don't understand why we feel the need to fill our pets with unnecessary chemicals. Just let their immune system exercise. If we disinfect even the air they breath, we will just make their immune system weak and incompetent, like ours.

 

[BDutch]

My chickens free range and they drink from the most rotten, stinkiest puddles. Never had a problem.
I don't understand why we feel the need to fill our pets with unnecessary chemicals. Just let their immune system exercise. If we disinfect even the air they breath, we will just make their immune system weak and incompetent, like ours.

This works as long as the chickens can choose what/where to drink.

If you like to give clean water and don’t want to refresh the water daily, you can use closed containers with nipples without chemicals.

Besides an open bowl I use a closed system with a nipple to drink from. I empty whats left and refill it once a week. When it’s hot I have to refill more often.

The bowl with water is used to cool their dirty feet in summer too. The chickens don’t mind to drink from the dirty water. I usually refresh this once a day in summer. Twice a week in winter.

No chemicals. Just tap water.

 

[Altairsky]

Same, I have a nipple system connected directly to the water main for inside the coop, but the chickens prefer to drink from filthy puddles around the garden. The most flavorful ones are, in order of preference, the juice leaking from the manure pile and the puddles where rotten tomatoes fell in.

 

[KToddy]

My chickens free range and they drink from the most rotten, stinkiest puddles. Never had a problem.
I don't understand why we feel the need to fill our pets with unnecessary chemicals. Just let their immune system exercise. If we disinfect even the air they breath, we will just make their immune system weak and incompetent, like ours.

When fighting a “silent war” - we must be proactive. We are inundated with bioweapons around our area (probably yours too) and unfortunately I have had to change my approach. I am all for natural immunity- not a germ-o-phobe (like my hubby) but our environments/soil/food supply/air is FULLY CONTAMINATED with aluminum/& other toxic chemicals.. the bee population has suffered devastating losses in population, and we must fight back IMHO.

We should all research CDS- with careful implementation (info is very difficult to access- intentionally) but there is not an issue with building tolerance, and because of the ph, the mechanism for annihilating harmful pathogens is the same as our own bodies utilize when healthy and able to do so. We are being overwhelmed with harmful pathogens… and our immune systems are suppressed- leaving us completely vulnerable. Everyone has a choice to make. Much better than antibiotics as healthy biome is not affected.

 

[Altairsky]

To each their own I guess.
I keep bees and the only thing that kills them is a parasite called varroa destructor. Varroa kills all the bees in the wild. Bee keepers are the only ones that can cure the illness.
But bee keeping is declining so no bee keepers, no bees.
The only way to help bees is to keep bees and support local bee keepers by buying their honey.
If you want to help bees, consider learning how to care for bees and adopt a bee swarm. People talks a lot, complain a lot but do very little or worse, do the wrong things.
Greenpeace claims are a scam to grab peoples money. Varroa is the bees problem, not pesticides.

 

[BDutch]

To each their own I guess.
I keep bees and the only thing that kills them is a parasite called varroa destructor. Varroa kills all the bees in the wild. Bee keepers are the only ones that can cure the illness.
But bee keeping is declining so no bee keepers, no bees.
The only way to help bees is to keep bees and support local bee keepers by buying their honey.
If you want to help bees, consider learning how to care for bees and adopt a bee swarm. People talks a lot, complain a lot but do very little or worse, do the wrong things.
Greenpeace claims are a scam to grab peoples money. Varroa is the bees problem, not pesticides.

Varroa is a bees problem and pesticides too. A cocktail of poisons is lethal.
Flower industries (especially lilies and roses) use cocktails to eliminate all kind of insects. The bees that come to flowers to forage get weak or worse. The varroa is often the final killer.

The industry only sets up research programs for one pesticide and claims the poisons is not killing the bees. I happen to know a guy who did such a research that was paid by Bayer. And a couple of years ago there was much discussion here about the integrity and researches. They (Bayer and other poison factories) want you to believe its harmless. But its NOT!
Germany had a 75% reduction of insects from 1989 to 2017 bc of all the poisons.

Translated from https://www.pbl.nl/actueel/nieuws/dalen-insectenpopulaties-ook-in-nederland :
The published study estimates that the total biomass of flying insects in 63 German lowland nature reserves has decreased by more than 75 percent since 1989 (Hallmann et al. 2017).

 

[Altairsky]

The scientific method proves everything and the opposite of everything.
Apis mellifera is extinct in the wild in EU because of varroa. If it went extinct because of pesticides, it would also be extinct captive.
Bees only survive captive because we, beekeepers, can use pesticides (!) on the bees to kill the parasite.
Bees are also killed by multiple alloctonous predators that we introduced. Pesticides, at least in EU, is the least of their problem.

 

[BDutch]

The scientific method proves everything and the opposite of everything.
Apis mellifera is extinct in the wild in EU because of varroa. If it went extinct because of pesticides, it would also be extinct captive.
Bees only survive captive because we, beekeepers, can use pesticides (!) on the bees to kill the parasite.
Bees are also killed by multiple alloctonous predators that we introduced. Pesticides, at least in EU, is the least of their problem.

Is this an April fool? They aren’t extinct !

We do have wild honeybees here. Looked it up for you:
https://www.imkerpedia.nl/wiki/index.php?title=Apis_mellifera

Im not expert on bees but I sure know the poisons are a problem for lots of insects. And because the poisons are in the insects, some bird species are almost instinct as we speak today. The poisons add up.

 

[Altairsky]

It's apparently extinct in the wild, in EU. From wikipedia (it's the first thing that popped, but if I have time I'll post a more decent source.)

There are indications that the species is rare, if not extinct in the wild in Europe and as of 2014, the western honey bee was assessed as "Data Deficient" on the IUCN Red List. Numerous studies indicate that the species has undergone significant declines in Europe; however, it is not clear if they refer to population reduction of wild or managed colonies. Further research is required to enable differentiation between wild and non-wild colonies in order to determine the conservation status of the species in the wild, meaning self sustaining, without treatments or management

Here we go:
https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsos.220565

Tl, dr: looks like the lifespan of wild honeybee colonies in EU forests is of just 6-7 months "We conclude that managed forests in Germany do not harbour self-sustaining feral honeybee populations, but they are recolonized every year by swarms escaping from apiaries."
Therefore yes, they are technically extinct in the wild and colonies do not survive varroa without management.
There are no pesticides in forests so the study could rule them out, therefore their failure to thrive without human care is solely because of Varroa destructor (which is a parasite that do not belong to EU. It was imported therefore our bees have no defense against it).

I read an interesting article a few years ago about a colony that survived for around 2 years. It was studied with much interest, because there was hope that the colony was genetically resistant to varroa. It was later found out that the hive was in an attic that reached deadly temperatures to varroa, but not high enough to kill bees, so it was just a very lucky colony location, sadly.

 

[BDutch]

There are no pesticides in forests so the study could rule them out,

Our forest are not like yours. There are hardly any flowers in the forests. They are small and often have agricultural fields in and around it where farmers use lots of poisons. The plots where they grow flowers like lilies are the worst. There are lots of wild bees (not in number, but in variety of species) in Western Europe. These bees don’t live in human made hives.

Since more than a decade people , institutions and wildlife organisations put so called bee-hotels at places where bee can forage away from poisoned agricultural land. And they ask people to stop using pesticides in their gardens. And to make it more natural. It helps.

You might find it interesting to read this article about cultivated honey bees . But keep in mind that the Wageningen University and Research (wur) was paid by Bayer to investigate the impact of agricultural poisons on bees. The researchers had to destroy the data/reports with unwanted outcomes. They were never published. https://www.wur.nl/en/research-resu...-health/bees-1/bee-research/bee-mortality.htm