White silkie with pink skin

[Slothinc]

I have a couple of white chicks that just hatched and they have pink skin. I am wondering if recessive white gives pink skin in silkies? Both parents have dark skin. One chick is a NN and one is a mix. I know the mom of the mixed baby carries recessive white.

Can recessive white cause the skin Melanizers to end up pink?

 

[Debbie292d]

I have had that happen with mottleds, paints, and cuckoo silkies. I don't know about all of their skin being pink, but their beak and feet were. They did turn dark after a few weeks. I'd wait and see then what they look like. I'll bet they darken up.

 

[Slothinc]

I have had that happen with mottleds, paints, and cuckoo silkies. I don't know about all of their skin being pink, but their beak and feet were. They did turn dark after a few weeks. I'd wait and see then what they look like. I'll bet they darken up.

Thanks Debbie! The NN chick is possibly out of a paint NN hen… but it seems strange that a paint hen would carry recessive white. I hatched some white chicks earlier this year and the girl that I kept continued to have light beak and skin. (Attaching photos of her) I thought I rehomed her mom but apparently not

 

[Debbie292d]

Thanks Debbie! The NN chick is possibly out of a paint NN hen… but it seems strange that a paint hen would carry recessive white. I hatched some white chicks earlier this year and the girl that I kept continued to have light beak and skin. (Attaching photos of her) I thought I rehomed her mom but apparently not

As beautiful as she is, I'd begrudgingly have to say she's either hatchery quality or has a mix in her. That's hard to believe just looking at her though. The standard colored silkies have to have dark skin and beak. Now could she have some paint in her though? I happen to have an all-white silkie that was born with spots and lost them.

She's the one on the right.






This is her now.


The other one is a normal paint.

 

[Slothinc]

@Debbie292d I agree, she’s not a bird that I consider breeding quality because of her light beak and skin. I will be rehoming her in the spring when people want pullets. She is young and still not laying so definitely not the mother of the NN baby that I just have hatched. Her father was a black frizzled satin who must have carried recessive white. Because she couldn’t be homozygous dominant white since her father was black.

The most likely father of the current chicks is a brother to the recessive white girl, he is a black frizzled showgirl. So he must have inherited the recessive white gene from his dad, but only one copy, whereas the white pullet must have inherited it from her mother and father.

I really only have two chickens that could possibly be the mother of the showgirl. And I’m thinking that it is most likely my paint NN hen. It didn’t even occur to me that she could carry recessive white because she is paint, so also has a dominant white gene. But since they are on different alleles it is possible. My paint NN is 4.5 years old and hatched from shipped eggs, so I don’t know much about her background.

The cross chick that isn’t a NN hatched from the egg of my olive egger. She has a recessive white silkied EE father and a blue cuckoo marans father. So she does carry recessive white.

 

[Slothinc]

@Debbie292d wow I have never seen a paint chick lose their spots like that! How interesting!!

 

[Debbie292d]

@Debbie292d wow I have never seen a paint chick loose their spots like that! How interesting!!

I posted it probably in my silkie page, not sure, but it was suggested that she'll most likely get her spots back after she molts. She's obviously a paint as we can see the spots as a chick, and they don't just unpaint themselves.

I was actually wondering if she'd be considered a dominant white, but doubt that. I need one so I could breed 100% paints, with dominant white and a black. Once I get a pair of paints I'll breed them and any whites will be dominant white. It just bites the best I can do is get 50% paints until I get one.

 

[Slothinc]

I posted it probably in my silkie page, not sure, but it was suggested that she'll most likely get her spots back after she molts. She's obviously a paint as we can see the spots as a chick, and they don't just unpaint themselves.

I was actually wondering if she'd be considered a dominant white, but doubt that. I need one so I could breed 100% paints, with dominant white and a black. Once I get a pair of paints I'll breed them and any whites will be dominant white. It just bites the best I can do is get 50% paints until I get one.

Maybe you could test breed her to black and if you get any black chicks you will know she isn’t dominant white? I’m excited for you to eventually have a reliable way to make paints! It is so difficult - I feel like almost always I get a bunch of blacks and very few actual paints!

 

[Debbie292d]

Maybe you could test breed her to black and if you get any black chicks you will know she isn’t dominant white? I’m excited for you to eventually have a reliable way to make paints! It is so difficult - I feel like almost always I get a bunch of blacks and very few actual paints!

I'm pretty sure she can't be dominant white though, it was just wishful thinking. Whether she looks like it or not, she's a paint. But regardless, I'd breed her alone to a black for a couple of weeks, whilst the other one would be bred to a white, and the latter would create the dominant white.

Can you do paint to paint yet? You'd probably get 1/2 paints, some blacks and some white ones in there. Those whites would be dominant white.

 

[Slothinc]

I'm pretty sure she can't be dominant white though, it was just wishful thinking. Whether she looks like it or not, she's a paint. But regardless, I'd breed her alone to a black for a couple of weeks, whilst the other one would be bred to a white, and the latter would create the dominant white.

Can you do paint to paint yet? You'd probably get 1/2 paints, some blacks and some white ones in there. Those whites would be dominant white.

The paint that you will breed to white - is it a dominant white?? If recessive you might find yourself in the same position that I am in. I think my paint mama might have one recessive white gene. Which is throwing off what I expect from breeding her!

If you breed paint to dominant white you will get 1/2 paint and 1/2 dominant white chicks.

But if you breed paint (if the paint bird doesn’t carry recessive white) to recessive white, you should get 1/2 paint chicks but the spots may not be black, and 1/2 not paint, but showing whatever is hiding under the recessive white (partridge, blue, or black etc) and all chicks will carry one recessive white gene. It would be a step backwards for sure in a paint breeding program.

I think my paint hen might be the one carrying recessive white. If you had a paint carrying recessive white and bred to a recessive white thinking that it was dominant white, half of the chicks would be white, but they would be recessive white. And it would be very hard to get back to paints.

I can’t do paint to paint yet, as I just gave away a paint cockerel (but he was a cross, not pure silkie.) but I am hoping to get a nice paint cockerel in the future. And some nice paint pullets to replace my older paint girl, the one who might carry the recessive white