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Quote: I believe those are just blues no self blues! Yes, that is andalusian blue, not self blue. Big difference. Please can some kind person explain the difference to me please as I'm a bit thick... I'm not too sure on my genetics..

Mrs Quote: The self blue gene is not rare in Orientals such as an example in Shamo. Would like to see pics of an oriental with self blue apparent... I've seen a few a good few year's ago in the flesh, I do have a photo but it's not mine to post. But anyway Here you go, think it's pic No.36...

Quote: To the best of my knowledge, and admittedly, I dont know everything, the self blue gene is not found in either american came or orientals......is it? Page 184 of the SOP lists self blue as a recognized color in OEG's, so I'm sure that it is present in American games, I haven't...

Quote: I sure do, he knew my father in the 80's.

Young Sindh Pakistani Aseel pair, from Imported Pakistan Eggs. Maybe for sale at the end of this year.

Taiwan cuckoo brood hen.

Taiwan brood cock "Powerhouse", 14.3lb. On loan for 2012 breeding season.

Quote: Modern Game for exhibition are classed as "hardfeather", but they are only "Game" in name like Carlisle OEG, Indian/Cornish Game.

Quote: Good looking stag you got there Thank you my friend. Father to the above stag. Just over 11lb.

My line 2011 shamo stag, still lots of filling out/growing in body to do.

Quote: LOL, so true!!! This is Shiva, a Shamo, an ex fighting cock who my boyfriend adopted: http://s015.radikal.ru/i330/1109/f6/afa5160ad165.jpg He now lives in his own cage. One of the hens (a mix? sorry I can't remember yet, new to the chicken world...)...

Quote: Thanks doc, he is a good stag and will be a main brood cock for my new black line. His full sister will be in the brood pen with that MR Shamo cock we spoken about.

Shamo cock my line almost 11lb. Shamo stag my line 10lb 10 months old. Shamo brood cock my line on loan to a very good friend (my black shamo lines come from him) who took the photo.

Black shamo stag 10lb, brother to the pure black hen I posted and a new bloodline I'm working with. Taiwan hen - 10lb (big mumma) and her son who is a Shamo x Taiwan stag, stag now given to a good friend.

pride&joy : Ok so I finally broke down and game myself the afternoon off from pen building and farm construction and took some pics of the fowl. Please feel free to offer opinions ………… enjoy Shamo Brood cock and hen [/i[URL]https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/44626_fowl_057.jpgmg]...

pride&joy : Quote: I presume you mean't the taiwan hen right ? Yes some people call it frog eyes or pearl eye. Shamo brood hen my line 9.5lb. http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k502/DickDastardlyspics/hen1.jpg Shamo hen my line 9.1lb...

Shamo hen 7lb, from a "new" black line. Taiwan x Shamo stags (shamo used my line).

Quote: Roberta, take Saladins advice and forget about them till 8 - 9 months old. As long as they are healthy that's all that counts at this age, they more than likely are genuine Thai's. As for Horst Schmuddes book, I've not got it as I'm not much of a bookworm. But anyway, I don't know how...

Quote: Sorry I think you got a bit confused I don't know what type of Thai's you have as I've not seen them yet. The Taiwans I have - The breed orginates from the Island of Taiwan, that's between China and Japan, so not near Thailand at all and have nothing what so ever to do with Thai...

Quote: Sorry my friend they are not Thai (Thailand) gamefowl but Taiwanese gamefowl (way bigger than any thai variety such as southern Thailand Gai Dai etc etc)- they are just mixed split rings I use for during the breading season for my records.