Crested Cream Legbars • Welsummer • Speckled Olive Eggers? Help with Sexing

[RememberTheWay]

Okay so from what I understand C.Cream legbars and Welsummer chicks are auto sexing breeds at hatch. Can someone post photos of what M/F look like for both at hatch please?

Second- I also understand that if you cross a Welsummer Rooster to a CCL hen that the resulting chicks will be sex linked. Can someone post pictures of the chicks they got and how they sexed them with this cross please? Shouldn't those chicks be "Speckled Olive Eggers"?

I purchased a CCL hen to go with my WS rooster. The hen had been with a CCL rooster prior to purchase so when she started laying I began incubating them one by one. With the assumption that once she was true to the WS that I should be able to tell the chicks apart from the full CCL ones. Now that I'm at about the time they should definitely be true to him I'm not so sure about which chicks are which . Lol has anyone else done this cross? Would love to see stages of growth pics if anyone has them

Pictures are of chicks I purchased and are unrelated to this post. Were posted for attention. But they are a welsummer/CCL cross chick, and a full CCL chick.

 

[RememberTheWay]

Updating with photos of the chicks I've hatched this far. I think the chicks photographed together one gold/brown one grey with white spot are what true CCL m/F are supposed to look like? The others I'm assuming are actually my speckled olive eggers (welsummer rooster x CCL hen) and are possibly a male female set as well? Not really sure because I thought I had read somewhere that even with the cross that the males should still have a white dot on the back of their head?

Does anyone have experience hatching out this hybrid?

 

[RememberTheWay]

This photo is of the other two chicks

 

[RememberTheWay]

And here are some shots with all four as a group

 

[AinaWGSD]

I feel like that mix may be difficult to distinguish from pure CCL. I ordered a legbar and an olive egger last spring and when they arrived they were darn near identical.

The white spot does indicate barring, which would be male with a welsummer rooster over legbar hens. But the headspot can be difficult to determine on non-black chicks.

I am certainly not experienced, so take this with a grain of salt, but I think the two on the left are male. Aside from the potential cryptic headspot, the chick on the far left has much more blurry chipmunk lines, which is another indicator of male chicks in legbars.

 

[paintedChix]

Auto sexing in Welsummerers & Heritage RIR's are not a given. A breeder has to stay on top of the identifying traits to keep them. Super easy to breed out. Breeders who have lines that have these traits work at retaining them. They maintain only the the ones who display those traits for their breeding stock going foward.

Also only takes a couple generations & can lose auto sexing traits in CLBs as well. If you are utilizing chickens that had faint or blurred traits as new hatched chicks, no guarantees on their resulting chicks.