Gold laced Orpington genetics?

[OrpingtonManiac]

Although i'm not breeding chickens myself, i am very interested in orpington genetics. I have a few questions (all are on orpingtons):

What chickens would you breed together to get gold laced orpingtons?
How does the genetics for gold laced work? For example, is it recessive or sex-linked etc.?

How does blue-black-splash genetics work? I know the question is very general, but i'm a total newbie to this!

Is the buff colour dominant?
Is black dominant?

What is leakage?

How do you breed for silver lacing?

What happens when you breed black with buff?
What would you get if you breed gold laced with buff, black, chocolate or lavender?


TIA!

 

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[Chicken_tiger_catt]

I don't know anything else, but these are the odds of blue, black, and splash from various breeding pair colors.

 

[Noraaaaa]

Although i'm not breeding chickens myself, i am very interested in orpington genetics. I have a few questions (all are on orpingtons):

I don’t know much BUTT:

How does blue-black-splash genetics work? I know the question is very general, but i'm a total newbie to this!

https://www.backyardchickens.com/articles/blue-black-splash-bbs-genetics-for-newbs.76924/

Is the buff colour dominant?
Is black dominant?

I belive black is

What is leakage?

It’s a color that shows up on some feathers that you don’t want! For example: if you try and breed a black Orpington you may have some buff color on their neck.

What happens when you breed black with buff?

https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/buff-black-orpington-cross.578080/

 

[OrpingtonManiac]

I don’t know much BUTT:

https://www.backyardchickens.com/articles/blue-black-splash-bbs-genetics-for-newbs.76924/

I belive black is

It’s a color that shows up on some feathers that you don’t want! For example: if you try and breed a black Orpington you may have some buff color on their neck.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/buff-black-orpington-cross.578080/

Thank you!

 

[Noraaaaa]

Thank you!

 

[OrpingtonManiac]

I don't know anything else, but these are the odds of blue, black, and splash from various breeding pair colors.

Thank you!

 

[BuergsChickens]

Although i'm not breeding chickens myself, i am very interested in orpington genetics. I have a few questions (all are on orpingtons):

Hey! I've recently been diving into chicken genetics and learning a lot, not sure if all of your questions were answered, but I can definitely give it a go

What chickens would you breed together to get gold laced orpingtons?

So I actually have a breeder not to far from me that bred chocolate silver laced and chocolate golden laced orpingtons, her starter was a chocolate rooster(he would of had to carry 1 /s+(gold gene))over silver laced hens, then from that she bred her best looking cockeral over the best looking pullets and more silver laced hens,
According to her she had gotten both silver as well as golden offspring, and split them apart, to help with focusing on breeding a full gold (s+/s+) or (s+/-)

I imagine you could also use a golden or gold type hen or rooster over a silver laced hen or rooster, the F1 generation would not have great lacing, but you could then breed the better lacing type gold pullets (s+/-) to your golden (S/s+) cockerals and depending on how the F2 generation comes out you could breed back to a silver laced to improve lacing and then repeat with breeding the golden cockrels (S/s+) over gold hens (s+/-)
But once you have a good rooster and hen of the black laced gold, or chocolate laced gold, it should breed true continuously! Hopefully that helps

How does the genetics for gold laced work? For example, is it recessive or sex-linked etc.?

Gold is recessive to silver, but yes it is also sex linked, so a rooster can carry 2 silver genes, 1 silver gene and 1 gold gene, or 2 gold genes, while a hen will either carry 1 silver gene or 1 gold gene

How does blue-black-splash genetics work? I know the question is very general, but i'm a total newbie to this!

The way it was explained to me and helped me understand them BBS charts is this..
black is black,
blue is 1 blue gene and 1 not blue gene (also can be called black)
Splash is 2 blue genes, so breeding splash to black means each chick will be blue (of various shades) because they will get 1 blue and 1 black gene from the parents, breeding blue to black will result in primarily black offpsring with some blue offspring, because they will get 1 black gene from the black parent and either 1 black or 1 blue gene from the blue parent.
The same is said for blue X splash, you would get primarily splash offspring, with some blue offspring. The charts are useful, but I found i understood it better when it was explained to me in a slightly different way!

Is the buff colour dominant?
Is black dominant?

Well buff specificly in orpingtons(wouldn't be the same for other breeds) usually have a lot of black inhibitors, which is why they are solid buff and not buff columbians, so you would get both black with buff leakage and buff with black leakage! All would be of varying degrees of leakage, i actually will be hatching out some black over buff orpingtons in 1-2 months for a project of mine!

What is leakage?

A solid base that has other colors leaking onto the bird/feathers

How do you breed for silver lacing?

Your best bet with silver lacing is to use a silver laced orpington as your base and then cross to whatever color of chicken if you wish for a different colored lacing around the silver. But the start for a silver lacing would be using silver carrying hens and roosters

What happens when you breed black with buff?

You would get a variety of buff with black leakage and black with buff leakage

What would you get if you breed gold laced with buff, black, chocolate or lavender?

So any lacing to a solid bird would give you a more solid looking offpsring with lacing leakage, you would then need to do a F2 or even F3 cross to strengthen and bring back the solid lacing look.

Golden Laced × Buff = you would get a variety of black with buff leakage and possible either some gold or silver lacing leakage(depending if the buff carrys a silver gene), it would be a bit all over, but then if you did a f2 generation you could out a better pattern and coloring
Golden Laced × black = would be a black chicken with some golden or silver laced leakage (depends on if the black is carrying silver) but you wouldn't really get much from this mix assuming your golden laced is black laced gold, then there wouldn't be much of a purpose, now if your golden laced is chocolate laced gold, then breeding it to black would bring in black lacing over golden feathers after a few generations.
Golden Laced × Chocolate = if it's black laced golden, and you crossed to a chocolate you would get more solidly black chicks with gold or silver laced leakage, but most chicks would carry the chocolate gene recessively(depending on if you used a rooster or a hen for the solid chocolate), but if you bred the offspring together you would then get a chance at both black laced gold, and chocolate laced gold, if you used any silver leakage chicks in the mix you could pass on the silver gene and then have silver lacing instead of golden
Golden Laced × Lavender = okay so you would get a more solidly black chicken with some gold(possibly silver) leakage lacing, that carrys the lavender gene, but if you bred offspring together and did a few generations, you could end up with a diluted black laced gold, which would be lavender lacing over yellow, since the lavender gene would dilute both the black into lavender and the gold into yellow!

Hope this helps i tried to keep it brief, but can dive into it a little more if needed!

TIA!

Again hopefully all the information is helpful! My main focus is on orpingtons, as they are my favourite! Glad to see there is another maniac out there!

 

[OrpingtonManiac]

Hey! I've recently been diving into chicken genetics and learning a lot, not sure if all of your questions were answered, but I can definitely give it a go


So I actually have a breeder not to far from me that bred chocolate silver laced and chocolate golden laced orpingtons, her starter was a chocolate rooster(he would of had to carry 1 /s+(gold gene))over silver laced hens, then from that she bred her best looking cockeral over the best looking pullets and more silver laced hens,
According to her she had gotten both silver as well as golden offspring, and split them apart, to help with focusing on breeding a full gold (s+/s+) or (s+/-)

I imagine you could also use a golden or gold type hen or rooster over a silver laced hen or rooster, the F1 generation would not have great lacing, but you could then breed the better lacing type gold pullets (s+/-) to your golden (S/s+) cockerals and depending on how the F2 generation comes out you could breed back to a silver laced to improve lacing and then repeat with breeding the golden cockrels (S/s+) over gold hens (s+/-)
But once you have a good rooster and hen of the black laced gold, or chocolate laced gold, it should breed true continuously! Hopefully that helps


Gold is recessive to silver, but yes it is also sex linked, so a rooster can carry 2 silver genes, 1 silver gene and 1 gold gene, or 2 gold genes, while a hen will either carry 1 silver gene or 1 gold gene

The way it was explained to me and helped me understand them BBS charts is this..
black is black,
blue is 1 blue gene and 1 not blue gene (also can be called black)
Splash is 2 blue genes, so breeding splash to black means each chick will be blue (of various shades) because they will get 1 blue and 1 black gene from the parents, breeding blue to black will result in primarily black offpsring with some blue offspring, because they will get 1 black gene from the black parent and either 1 black or 1 blue gene from the blue parent.
The same is said for blue X splash, you would get primarily splash offspring, with some blue offspring. The charts are useful, but I found i understood it better when it was explained to me in a slightly different way!


Well buff specificly in orpingtons(wouldn't be the same for other breeds) usually have a lot of black inhibitors, which is why they are solid buff and not buff columbians, so you would get both black with buff leakage and buff with black leakage! All would be of varying degrees of leakage, i actually will be hatching out some black over buff orpingtons in 1-2 months for a project of mine!

A solid base that has other colors leaking onto the bird/feathers

Your best bet with silver lacing is to use a silver laced orpington as your base and then cross to whatever color of chicken if you wish for a different colored lacing around the silver. But the start for a silver lacing would be using silver carrying hens and roosters

You would get a variety of buff with black leakage and black with buff leakage

So any lacing to a solid bird would give you a more solid looking offpsring with lacing leakage, you would then need to do a F2 or even F3 cross to strengthen and bring back the solid lacing look.

Golden Laced × Buff = you would get a variety of black with buff leakage and possible either some gold or silver lacing leakage(depending if the buff carrys a silver gene), it would be a bit all over, but then if you did a f2 generation you could out a better pattern and coloring
Golden Laced × black = would be a black chicken with some golden or silver laced leakage (depends on if the black is carrying silver) but you wouldn't really get much from this mix assuming your golden laced is black laced gold, then there wouldn't be much of a purpose, now if your golden laced is chocolate laced gold, then breeding it to black would bring in black lacing over golden feathers after a few generations.
Golden Laced × Chocolate = if it's black laced golden, and you crossed to a chocolate you would get more solidly black chicks with gold or silver laced leakage, but most chicks would carry the chocolate gene recessively(depending on if you used a rooster or a hen for the solid chocolate), but if you bred the offspring together you would then get a chance at both black laced gold, and chocolate laced gold, if you used any silver leakage chicks in the mix you could pass on the silver gene and then have silver lacing instead of golden
Golden Laced × Lavender = okay so you would get a more solidly black chicken with some gold(possibly silver) leakage lacing, that carrys the lavender gene, but if you bred offspring together and did a few generations, you could end up with a diluted black laced gold, which would be lavender lacing over yellow, since the lavender gene would dilute both the black into lavender and the gold into yellow!

Hope this helps i tried to keep it brief, but can dive into it a little more if needed!

Again hopefully all the information is helpful! My main focus is on orpingtons, as they are my favourite! Glad to see there is another maniac out there!

This is so helpful!! Thanks so much!!

 

[BuergsChickens]

This is so helpful!! Thanks so much!!

@NatJ has been a wonderful help with me learning genetics! Especially with explaining it in ways to make it easier to process and understand!

But im glad I could be of help! If you have any more questions I'll try and answer what I can! Orpingtons are great, and they are the main breed of chicken that I'm working with!