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Ahh I don't seem to be getting any replies.. but I do have a question. My black east indie is on day 28 and last night I was sooo sure it had internally pipped, I swore I heard tapping and a soft peep. Today, I candled it to confirm (only out of the incubator for less than a minute) and I didn't see much shadowing so I put it up to my ear and I swore I heard a small tap. Candled it again and there was a lot of shadowing in the air cell. It's still rocking a lot and very active, I'm always playing duckling noises for it. Is this 100% an internal pip? Like I said, a good amount of shadowing but I'm not sure it looks like a beak is inside? Ahh I just don't wanna lose this baby. Also, if it HAS internally pipped, when should I add a safety hole? If it did internally pip, tonight is when I should be adding it but since I'm unsure I'm asking anyway!
 
HollowOfWisps said:
It sounds like it is just pressing against the membrane. When they internally pip it will be noticeably in the air cell.
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Okay that's what I was thinking too. I'll check again tomorrow but when would it be a good time to assist if there hasn't been an internal pip? (Day 30, 31?) I'm not too worried right now since the baby is still rocking and moving a lot.
 
quackkquack__ said:
Okay that's what I was thinking too. I'll check again tomorrow but when would it be a good time to assist if there hasn't been an internal pip? (Day 30, 31?) I'm not too worried right now since the baby is still rocking and moving a lot.
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East Indie ducks are larger than a call in both size and bill length which means they do not require the level of assistance that a call duck does. From the literature I have read put out by east indie breeders they all advised handling the eggs as little as possible on lockdown. I used to hatch a rare breed for years that required assistance and I never intervened until there was at least an internal pip. Worrying and handling the eggs will not make them hatch quicker. Every time you pull the eggs out they start the cooling process and have to warm back up even if it’s only a couple of minutes. Just be patient and wait at least for the internal pip before you make an air hole. If it doesn’t at least make the internal pip on its own then the duckling was never healthy enough to survive outside the egg. The internal pip is the easiest part of hatching for a duckling.
 
HollowOfWisps said:
East Indie ducks are larger than a call in both size and bill length which means they do not require the level of assistance that a call duck does. From the literature I have read put out by east indie breeders they all advised handling the eggs as little as possible on lockdown. I used to hatch a rare breed for years that required assistance and I never intervened until there was at least an internal pip. Worrying and handling the eggs will not make them hatch quicker. Every time you pull the eggs out they start the cooling process and have to warm back up even if it’s only a couple of minutes. Just be patient and wait at least for the internal pip before you make an air hole. If it doesn’t at least make the internal pip on its own then the duckling was never healthy enough to survive outside the egg. The internal pip is the easiest part of hatching for a duckling.
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Okay thank you! I'll sit on my hands and wait lol. I've lost a few ducklings before they even internally pipped so I've been a bit worried. Glad to know they don't require the level of assistance that calls do!
 
It's day 30 now and the egg is still rocking and responding to my voice but I haven't heard any clear indications that it's internally pipped. I'm a bit nervous because it looks like it's not rocking as much as it used to - whether it's tired or dying, I'm not sure :(
 
I'm wondering if I should candle later today and see if there's been any improvement or if the veins are fading. I wanted to wait until tomorrow but I'm feeling worried due to the movements slowing down. I was thinking maybe it's slowing down to get ready to internally pip? I think this will be the only baby from this batch to hatch so I don't wanna lose it..
 
Also, I do open the incubator three times a day to turn my other egg that's a few days behind. I make sure to mist to keep the humidity up and I try to be very quick with turning the other egg. Though, that's never been a problem with other staggered hatches.
 

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