Is this Vent Gleet!? Please help! *Pictures*

Vent gleet is caused by something... infection, which can be bacterial or fungal, or parasites. Finding out what is causing it is key, which is why I suggested worming before you go on holiday. Does that make sense?

-Kathy
I thought that I read on here that vent gleet is usually a yeast infection. An infection, no less, but would that be caused by worms? I read a thread that they were tossing back and forth on whether is was vent gleet OR worms, not that one causes the other. I consider myself a beginner for the most part, so I'm truly just asking out of curiosity.

I also read on here that you only want to worm if absolutely necessary because it is so straining on the bird, and that you might lose it just from the medication. I guess that's why I kind of want to make that the last resort.

Today, I went by (for the most part) the link given earlier. https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/vent-gleet-aka-nasty-chicken-butt

She already looks better, and the swelling of that sore went down. Is that the ingrown hair you were talking about? That white infected spot?

I sprayed Blue Kote on it tonight, too. I know it won't help a ton, but maybe with the sore and keeping the others from seeing a bright red bum.
 
I thought that I read on here that vent gleet is usually a yeast infection. An infection, no less, but would that be caused by worms? I read a thread that they were tossing back and forth on whether is was vent gleet OR worms, not that one causes the other. I consider myself a beginner for the most part, so I'm truly just asking out of curiosity.

I'll try to find the link, written by a vet, who said that gleet can be caused by many things. Like you, I also thought it was just a yeast infection, but I had one recently that clearly wasn't as she responded well to treatment with Baytril, but not Nystatin and Monistat.

I also read on here that you only want to worm if absolutely necessary because it is so straining on the bird, and that you might lose it just from the medication. I guess that's why I kind of want to make that the last resort.

That's crazy... worming with something like fenbendazole is very safe and I've used it on very small, young chicks and had no problems. It's also used in kittens, puppies, foals and pregnant mares. So much of what you read on BYC can't be backed up, and I guess I can't back up some of this, but give me time and I will, lol. The *only* time I don't de-worm one is when it is so sick that just handling it is likely to kill it, which has happened. Your hen is not that sick, so worming her will not hurt her, and it might even make her better.

Today, I went by (for the most part) the link given earlier. https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/vent-gleet-aka-nasty-chicken-butt

I haven't read that thread, so I can't comment on it.

She already looks better, and the swelling of that sore went down.

Maybe she'll get better, I hope she does. If she does, you should write a new thread and share your whole experience so others can learn from it.

Is that the ingrown hair you were talking about? That white infected spot?

Yes, that looks like an ingrown feather, I usually just pop them, lol, like a pimple.
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I sprayed Blue Kote on it tonight, too. I know it won't help a ton, but maybe with the sore and keeping the others from seeing a bright red bum.

It sure won't hurt.
Now I have to find that darn link on vent gleet causes!

-Kathy
 
Here's some info... I haven't read the whole thing yet, but you might find something useful in it:

http://birdhealth.com.au/flockbirds/poultry/diseases/vent_gleet.html
Vent Gleet

by Dr Rob Marshall

Wayne Ingleton wishes to know about "that disgusting disease Vent Gleet that plagues us all at one time or another. He has acquired a female that has this disgusting, stinking white discharge oozing from her vent. The problem is that she is a very good female and I would like to cure her so that she can be used in the breeding pen without fear of spreading this disease through the rest of the stud. What causes this problem? How is it spread from bird to bird? What can be done to cure this problem?

Vent Gleet literally means a slimy matter oozing from the vent. It is an old expression used to describe the symptoms associated with a condition called cloacitis (an infected cloaca). There are several possible causes and different infections associated with a cloacitis which means the treatment used for Vent Gleet will vary according to the underlying cause and particular infecton. The underlying causes of the condition are complicated and in order to gain a better understanding of Vent Gleet, knowledge of the function and anatomy of the cloaca is required.

The cloaca (meaning cesspool) is a three chambered structure that is located immediately inside the vent (anus) of the chicken and is an extension of the large intestine and rectum. The cloaca appears as a bell shaped dilation at the end of the rectum. It is the emptying place for several systems, the digestive, urinary and the reproductive tract and is an evolutionary development allowing birds (and some mammals) to urinate, defaecate and lay eggs using a single external opening (orifice).

The part of the cloaca that receives the food excrement (coprodeum) is the largest and is situated towards the head end of the structure. This is the part of the cloaca that allows the chicken to withhold excretory action and to retain considerable volume of excrement in the cloaca without relief. You will have seen this effect when roosting hens leave the nest and produce a very large strong smelling dropping. This ability is beneficial for breeding success as it enables the hen to brood upon the nest without leaving it for a long period of time. When a bird is deprived of water or is chilled, constipation may also occur in the coprodeum and produce signs of cloacitis ("soft bloated belly", sudden onset of dry feathers, and pasting of the feathers around the vent). This part of the cloaca is seen in the advanced form of Vent Gleet when the entire vent presents as a red swollen and often bloody mass.

The part of cloaca where the egg and urine enter is the smallest part of the cloaca called the urodeum. The end part of the cloaca is called the proctodeum. From the proctodeum, the food excrement and attached urine portion are passed directly to the exterior through the anus as a well formed dropping .

Each chamber is separated from the other by a complex array of membranes that act like valves allowing the bird to produce a dropping where the food excrement (dropping) and urine (white cap on dropping) are separate from each other.

A healthy cloaca is responsible for the passing of a round, tight, well-formed dropping that is capped with a neat white urine (urates) topping. This type of dropping is a reliable sign of good health in chickens.

In a healthy chicken the cloaca keeps the urine and dropping (food excrement) separated from each other preventing the dropping from contaminating the urine. During a stressful period, the tone and function of the cloacal membranes are weakened allowing droppings and urine to mix together in the cloaca and preventing the normal recycling of water back into the bowel. This situation results in the less frequent production of larger and more watery droppings. This type of dropping indicates the chicken is experiencing stress and its health is failing. The conditions within the cloaca become unhealthy as stress has the effect of increasing pH which impairs its function and predisposes the entire cloaca and nearby organs especially the rectum and uterus to infection. It is infection associated with an original stressful factor and a rise in pH levels in the cloaca that causes the symptoms of Vent Gleet.

Vent Gleet is therefore the end result of a stressful episode which alters the pH of the cloaca predisposing it and associated organs to infection. Consequently, Vent Gleet is not a contagious condition although the underlying stress factor may cause illness throughout the flock. As well, Vent Gleet should be considered a condition of circumstance and not a sign of inherent weakness in an individual bird.
Early Symptoms of Cloacitis (Vent Gleet)

Early symptoms of cloacitis (Vent Gleet) often go unnoticed. However, there is a far greater likelihood of curing Vent Gleet when treatment is initiated when these early signs are first noticed.
  • Sudden loss of feather colour and shine(see photo 1).
  • Pasting of vent feathers (see photo 2).
  • Soft Belly. The abdomen will soften and bloat.
  • Lack of vitality and postural changes (see photo 3).
  • Birds are still eating at this stage.
Treatment administered at this early stage of cloacitis is usually successful. The aim of treatment is to counteract the effect of stress (i.e. acidify cloaca), stimulate immunity, control secondary infections, identify and eliminate the stress factor.

Treatment of Early Stage Cloacitis:
Crop feed with Emergency First Aid Treatment (40mls ER Quick, 1ml Gel Formula, 2mls liquid calcium) twice daily for 2 days to counteract the effects of stress and acidify crop.
Wash the vent feathers and remove any accumulated droppings from around the vent area.
Instil 3mls warmed Quik Gel solution into the vent and then massage area to reduce pH of cloaca and help break up constipated mass in the proctodeum. This action should produce a dropping or hard constipated matter of food and urine excrement within a few minutes.
Examine the droppings microscopically to help identify the type of cloacal infection (bacteria, parasite, fungus or yeast).
Move bird to heated area and provide fresh food.
Acidify drinking water with citric acid (Megamix 10mls per litre) and energy supplement (Quick Gel 2mls per litre).
Administer metronidazole tablet (100mg tablet per kilogram body weight) and penicillin-type antibiotic (50mg tablet per kilogram body weight) twice daily for 4 days.
Return to flock as soon as possible.
Cull birds that do not respond to treatment within 4 days.
Treat the flock with Quickgel for 2 days to reduce the effects of stress.
Advanced Symptoms of Cloacitis (Vent Gleet)

Without early treatment the cloacal inflammation worsens and causes severe discomfort and straining symptoms that are quickly followed by the more advanced signs of Vent Gleet. These are:
  • Typical offensive odour
  • Soiled vent feathers and slimy discharge coming from vent area.
  • Straining to defaecate.
  • The excrement is voided frequently and is foul smelling.
  • The entire vent becomes red swollen and often bloody and distorted in appearance.
Treatment of Vent Gleet

Outlook is poor when advanced symptoms of Vent Gleet have been present for more than 2 days. Treatment is similar to the above treatment for early cloacitis and is directed to cleaning up the vent and adjacent regions, providing emergency first aid treatment and treating the infection in the cloaca.

Crop feed with Emergency First Aid Treatment (40mls ER Quik 1ml Gel Formula 2mls liquid calcium) three times daily until the smell disappears and the droppings improve in consistency.

Wash vent feathers and remove any accumulated droppings around vent area each day using a disinfectant.

Instil 3mls warmed citric acid into the vent twice daily and then massage area to help evacuate fermented material in the proctodeum.

Examine dropping microscopically to help identify type of cloacal infection (bacteria, parasite, fungus or yeast).

Move to heated area with fresh food.

Acidify drinking water with citric acid (Megamix 10mls per litre) and energy supplement (Quik Gel 2mls per litre).4.

Administer metronidazole tablet (100mg tablet per kilogram body weight) and penicillin-type antibiotic (50mg tablet per kilogram body weight) twice daily for 7 days.

Cull birds that do not recover in 7 days.

Treat remainder of flock with antibiotics that have been prescribed following the diagnosis of the exact infection(s).
Infections associated with Vent Gleet

The exact type of infection varies according to the origin of the cloacitis. The origin of cloacitis is either an acute stressul episode, bowel infection, hormonal related uterus problem or a combination of one or all of these problems.

Vent Gleet occurs most frequently in hens and is associated with malfunctioning egg laying behaviour. The outlook is good when treatment is initiated early. Vent Gleet occurs most often in hens following cold spells in June, July and August. Cross breed hens - such as Isa Browns - between the age of 3-5 years are at most risk to vent gleet. Cross breed hens of this age require additional calcium and protein in their diet to support their all year round egg laying behaviour. A sudden cold spell or another type of acute stress (e.g. fright, injury, contaminated food or drinking water etc.) may interrupt the breeding hormones of hens and as a result, infection within the cloaca enters the vagina and infects the uterus. Treatment success is limited when Vent Gleet has advanced to an infection of the uterus. Outlook is poor when typical Vent Gleet symptoms have been present for longer than 2 days. Infected hens are usually poor breeders following recovery. Intestinal parasites, nutritional deficiencies, contaminated food or water are the more likely causes when Vent Gleet occurs in hens between September and January. Outlook for a full recovery in these birds is optomistic.

Vent Gleet in male chickens is usually as a result of stress related cloacitis and often involves constipation. This type of Vent Gleet is more likely to occur during the heat of summer associated with heat stress.

Vent Gleet is often related to a combination of stress and a latent bowel infection when several birds of either sex are affected. Transportation and adjusting to a new home are conditions of stress that may activate latent infections in otherwise strong healthy individuals and result in Vent Gleet. Quik Gel is recommended to prevent Vent Gleet under these circumstances as it reduces the effect of stress and reduces the likelihood of cloacitis.
Prevention of Vent Gleet

There are several different disease processes that result in Vent Gleet (cloacitis) and it is necessary to identify the underlying cause of each if prevention is to be successful. Irrespective of the type of infection involved it should be noted that a stress factor that alters the pH of the cloaca is the root cause of Vent Gleet. Citric acid (Megamix) in the drinking water will help prevent Vent Gleet outbreaks when bore water or town water has high pH levels (above 7.4). Vent Gleet is not a contagious condition, but the underlying causes may affect the health of the entire flock and initiate Vent Gleet outbreaks. When Vent Gleet occurs in an established flock it may indicate contaminated food or water, intestinal or external parasites or a nutritional deficiency. Vent Gleet under these circumstances will be prevented by introducing a Nutritional Health Programme (see chart 1).
 
I will surely make a thread talking about what has happened and how I fixed it. Thanks for all the tips!

I will "work" on that ingrown feather thing tomorrow. I think you mentioned it already, but where did you say you can get fenbendazole? Tractor Supply? That's the only real feed store around here.
 
Actually, the directions are labeled for goats, horses or cows, depending on what you get and poultry get a different amount. For example, horses get 5-10mg/kg for one to five days, but poultry get much more as you can see below. Per my vet, I've been using 50mg/kg (0.5ml per 2.2 pounds) on all of mine, but I recently read an abstract that says that 20mg/kg for three days is effective against many of the common worms you find in poultry, including a type of tape and gapeworms. I have that abstract, let me know if you want to read it. FWIW, I have actually treated some of mine at 50mg/kg for 3-5 days and seen no ill effects.

TSC carries both the paste and the liquid. For me, liquid is easier and it's cheaper, $20 for 125ml (125 1ml doses) vs $8-$10 for a 25 gram tube (25 1ml doses). Both the liquid and the paste are 10% fenbendazole and and 1ml of the paste weighs 1 gram, I measured it, you can see how I did that here:
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/744734/worming-with-horse-wormer

Bottom line, you give the same amount of liquid or paste, but you need to know how much the bird weighs and you need to decide if you want to do three days in a row or just one day. For just one day, I would stick with what my vet recommended, 50mg/kg, which you can see from below is well within the accepted norm. Make sense? I ask because I usually have a problem writing what I'm thinking, lol, and I'm often not clear enough.


 
Okay, so I'm going to treat for vent fleet first. I put ACV in their water. I mixed layer crumbles, water, raw garlic, and organic yogurt together in a bowl and fed that to them (I made a batch for the people watching them to feed while I'm gone). I then cut up a few more cloves of garlic and made some scrambled eggs. I put that and the last bit of yogurt on a plate, generously sprinkled with wheat germ.

I then filled the sink with epsom salt water, and soaked her in it for a while. Then I rubbed around with Dawn dish soap and got most of the crud off (some was really hard and crusty). When I examined her after pulling her out the water, I decided I'm just going to clip a bunch of the feathers around the vent to lessen the mess, since they appeared to be covered in lice eggs anyways. It exposed her redness. It's a bit tender, as in it's not really firm or anything where the redness is. I can poke it with pressure and it will go in about an inch. I got as close to the body with the clippers as I could without making her bleed. I noticed a sore under her vent, also. It looks like it's infected a little, maybe a little puss under the skin with a dark red hole in the middle. I squeezed like a pimple just for a second, but it's kind of hard and I stopped right away. I tried getting good pictures, but they are just a tad blurry with bad lighting.

Any other suggestions? (I may try deworming if this doesn't work after I get back from vacation).


Here are the pictures.
The sore is almost right in the middle of the picture.




Red butt.

Vent Gleet is caused by a fungal infection, it is a yeast infection caused by Candida Albicans.
I was told to do the following: Go to the vet and get some Lystatin liquid suspension for 7-10 days. Apply anti-fungal crèmes (athletes foot crème or vaginal yeast infection crème) twice a day until symptoms disappear. It mostly shows up in hens bur my rooster has it that s how I learned about it. The garlic and the ACV in the water should help as well. Also feed unflavored yogurt at least once a week to restore balance to their gut. Hope this helps.
 

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