List of oldest U.S. chicken breeds. Is it correct?

[Extra Java]

I would most certainly add: There is a preponderance of Black Java blood in many of the early American breeds.

The Java Through Time

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You might want to re-word this:
"Some incorrectly state that the breed came from Java when only some of the foundation stock came from Java."

It makes sense to be classified as American but I wrote the articles to explain the complex story of the Java, it's origins and most of it's colors...there are more and there is more information to come.

 

[Bullitt]

You might want to re-word this:
"Some incorrectly state that the breed came from Java when only some of the foundation stock came from Java."

What is wrong with that statement?

 

[Extra Java]

The statement seems vague to me because of the details I'm aware of. I would mention the origin of each color but this is your thread, I've helped and offered as much Java information as I can. Like I said, it's complex and debatable.

Good luck to you

 

[Bullitt]

The statement seems vague to me because of the details I'm aware of. I would mention the origin of each color but this is your thread, I've helped and offered as much Java information as I can. Like I said, it's complex and debatable.

Good luck to you

This is just a list of the 10 oldest U.S. breeds, not a complete history of each breed and the varieties.

Thanks.

 

[Bullitt]

Does American Gamefowl/ American Game go on this list? Does anyone have history with years on this breed?

Thanks.

 

[Bullitt]

Here is a video that shows the Black Java. It is at 2:20 in the video.

 

[Bullitt]

I would think American Gamefowl would be first just about everyone of those listed has a dab or more of AG in them even the Dominique they were developed from a (hawk patterned game fowl) I've read from old history.
Check out the SPPA site and too ask Doc Charles Everett (saladin) on here he can give you the scoop on some of old breeds for sure.

Jeff

The Game that was used to create the Dominique, was that an American Game? Maybe it was an English Game.

The official story is that Dominique is the oldest U.S. chicken breed and the Java is the second-oldest U.S. chicken breed. That is why I said I was confident about those two.

I can't seem to get any help here. I guess no one on this board cares about the American Game/Gamefowl. Is it even recognized by the APA? What year was it recognized by the APA?

I put this list together mostly for my own education, but I thought the people on this board would be interested. Not many seem interested.

Thank you to those people who have corrected my list and made suggestions.

 

[gjensen]

I think you pretty much have your list.

Of course there was fowl here before these breeds, but they were not American breeds. The games were admitted into the standard as Old English Games.

 

[The Yakima Kid]

Lamona and California Gray (non-APA) should probably be on the list. B^)

 

[The Yakima Kid]

The APA classifies Java in the American class.

The story goes that chickens were brought from Java to the United States and those chickens were bred with other chickens to create the Java breed. I have no doubt that the Black Java was first. There was mottled and white also. There was also an auburn type that died out by the late 1800s. But this was one of the foundation breeds for the Rhode Island Red.

What would you like me to do? The official story is that the Java is the second-oldest American breed of chicken. If you get the APA to reclassify Java from American to Asiatic I will take Java off the list of American breeds. But then Black Java and Mottled Java would have to be classified differently, according to what you said.

It gets weirder than that - in some shows Javas were shown in an Asiatic class (Cochin I believe) and vice versa.

Interestingly enough, the Leghorn as we know it today in the US, the UK, and some other countries was heavily modified in the US.

Javas and Dominiques alike figure in a number of American breeds. Until the latter portion of the 19th C. Dominiques could have single combs and run larger than the modern bird. After that decision, many of the existing larger, single comb Dominique flocks were folded into the Barred Rocks. The new smaller size probably helped marginalize the Dominiques.