Why? Am I the only one who sees a problem with this? "True Bantam Ameraucana's" 😡🥺

RememberTheWay

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Man o man, has this year, 2024, been "that" year! I'm sure like 20 yrs from now I will look back and laugh at the year from you know what. But I'm crying now.

This story starts with me. I have wanted to breed TRUE Ameraucana's for quite some time. I am a single mother. My daughter is special needs. I homestead with my mother. Who is also single. We do this by choice. I love my life, but I would be lying if I said it wasn't a constant uphill battle and struggle.

It is because of the above, that I put a pin in working with Ameraucana's. They simply were too expensive and when things are tight those kind of dreams get out on the back burner.

Then came Mother's day this year and my lovely daughter and amazing mother decided to gift me day old chicks from one of the only breeders I could find in our area. I got several chicks (several breeds) from one breeder and three chicks from another breeder later. We drove four hrs round trip actually probably closer to six hrs to get to both of these farms.

I went to the farm, was shown TRUE Ameraucana's. Correct type, muffs, beards, shank color, combs, eyes, and feet. I was also told that pens were not separate for color so I knew they would not be show quality for color. Everything else looked good. This chicks were very expensive.

The a couple days ago I was taking progression pics of all my chicks because I am a bird nerd and keep meticulous records on my projects. One for myself and two for customers later down the road. I noticed that the two lavender bantams that purchased appeared to possibly not have muff/beards? I did some digging and asked around and apparently true Ameraucana's can actually appear to lose their M/B somewhere between 4/6 wks and it may take as long as 6 months to fully return. But I also noticed that their heads were shaped funny. Almost Serama looking, if you know what I mean.

I messaged the breeder. Very nicely. Asking, One- had she noticed in her line of birds that they "lose" m/B and if they did when might I expect it to come back, and 2- was it possible for these chicks to be mixed.

She messaged back asking for pictures. So I sent the ones below. Her response was that they were "true" Ameraucana's, that she pen breeds, and that these were the parents and forwarded the photo below!

I will just let that speak for itself.

I am absolutely crushed. I waited so long for the birds. My daughter wants to show birds and I was planning on using this line of birds to let her have something to work with. I can't afford to replace them. Yes, they are cute and so sweet. But I would have never spent the money I did had I known these were the parents. How can someone so flippantly say these are true Ameraucana's and act like my concerns were totally unfounded. I'm just beside myself. I would never do this to someone. I know because I sell chicks. I couldn't charge that much for a bird knowing they weren't what I said they were. I literally would not be able to sleep at night. I am so upright about the quality of bird that leaves here I just can't imagine doing this. I don't even charge a fraction of what she did and am so worried about every little things concerning my birds. I don't even sell birds that are in anyway subpar honestly because I don't want them associated with my name. I would rather keep them!

Really, I needed to vent. And cry, and stomp my feet a little bit about this whole situation. I haven't even responded to her after she sent the picture because honestly I'm shell shocked.

This whole situation just has me so crushed and down. I was over the moon when I realized my straight run chicks were actually growing out into male female sets. Now, I'm thinking it's going to be a long time coming before my kid can enter a show or I can work with this breed.

My daughter asks me all the time, can I show this bird? What about this one? (These are back yard mutts she's picking up mind you) And I have to tell her, well you could, but you might not like the results. You should probably wait until we grow out the Ameraucana's and work with them a bit. She was so excited. I haven't even told her. Honestly, I haven't even told my mother either. I just don't want to disappoint them.

I think I'm done venting now. Off to bed for me.

Exactly what am I supposed to say to a response like that with a picture of those parent birds?
 

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Oh my gosh I am so sorry this happened to you. The birds are nice but look nothing like Ameraucanas and shouldn't have the cost of one either. Can't imagine how devastating this is. If that seller's logic is that "those hens lay blue eggs therefore they are Ameraucanas..." :mad:

Clearly she's a terrible person. Does she have any sort of quality guarantee/refund or return policy at all? Fact that she blatantly showed you true ones and said the chicks were pure-bred, then changed her story tells me she probably doesn't though. Can't fathom how anyone would do that with a clear conscience. I'm so sorry I can't do more to help you. Sending support and love :hugs
 
Oh my gosh I am so sorry this happened to you. The birds are nice but look nothing like Ameraucanas and shouldn't have the cost of one either. Can't imagine how devastating this is. If that seller's logic is that "those hens lay blue eggs therefore they are Ameraucanas..." :mad:

Clearly she's a terrible person. Does she have any sort of quality guarantee/refund or return policy at all? Fact that she blatantly showed you true ones and said the chicks were pure-bred, then changed her story tells me she probably doesn't though. Can't fathom how anyone would do that with a clear conscience. I'm so sorry I can't do more to help you. Sending support and love :hugs
Thank you. And to answer your question, no. 😔 According to her, "those are bantam Ameraucana's"

I just can't. It's so ridiculous I want to laugh. But it's seriously not funny.
 
Oh my gosh I am so sorry this happened to you. The birds are nice but look nothing like Ameraucanas and shouldn't have the cost of one either. Can't imagine how devastating this is. If that seller's logic is that "those hens lay blue eggs therefore they are Ameraucanas..." :mad:

Clearly she's a terrible person. Does she have any sort of quality guarantee/refund or return policy at all? Fact that she blatantly showed you true ones and said the chicks were pure-bred, then changed her story tells me she probably doesn't though. Can't fathom how anyone would do that with a clear conscience. I'm so sorry I can't do more to help you. Sending support and love :hugs
Terrible person is an understatement really. I gave her the benefit of a doubt and didn't say anything rude. But I did ask for the breeder/farm information she got her birds from. I am shopping for new birds again, maybe just a couple, and wanted to make sure I didn't accidentally buy from who she did. Thinking that if she truly thought those were Ameraucana's and that's what they were advertised as as chicks, I didn't want to accidentally buy from the same breeder. She didn't respond so a wk later I sent a ? , this was her response:
 

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Terrible person is an understatement really. I gave her the benefit of a doubt and didn't say anything rude. But I did ask for the breeder/farm information she got her birds from. I am shopping for new birds again, maybe just a couple, and wanted to make sure I didn't accidentally buy from who she did. Thinking that if she truly thought those were Ameraucana's and that's what they were advertised as as chicks, I didn't want to accidentally buy from the same breeder. She didn't respond so a wk later I sent a ? , this was her response:
My gosh. People are so rude. They will also do anything to make money. I am sorry this happened to you. If I had some of the birds you wanted I would gladly give them to you but I don’t. So sorry again.
 
My gosh. People are so rude. They will also do anything to make money. I am sorry this happened to you. If I had some of the birds you wanted I would gladly give them to you but I don’t. So sorry again.
I will be okay 😊 very nice thought though.

Silver lining is that this whole fiasco spurred me to continue looking for my breeders and I have actually found a master breeder and a line of birds that I absolutely adore and should be getting a few of them in the fall. If I can figure out a way to get birds from Alabama to TN without it costing an arm and leg, I could actually get some from her line from another breeder that is working with her birds now but I'm not sure I want to drive that far 🤔 we will see. Maybe I will take the trip? 6hrs round trip....

The dreams postponed but not given up 😊
 
I will be okay 😊 very nice thought though.

Silver lining is that this whole fiasco spurred me to continue looking for my breeders and I have actually found a master breeder and a line of birds that I absolutely adore and should be getting a few of them in the fall. If I can figure out a way to get birds from Alabama to TN without it costing an arm and leg, I could actually get some from her line from another breeder that is working with her birds now but I'm not sure I want to drive that far 🤔 we will see. Maybe I will take the trip? 6hrs round trip....

The dreams postponed but not given up 😊
My granddaughter and I recently (in April) drove 8 hrs EACH way to get some (16!) lovely lavender EE/Ameraucana cross chicks, from here in SE MO to Alabama. Why? Because I can't afford pb Am prices, that's why! I am not a breeder, never will be; I don't show birds and I don't sell them. I just love the way these birds look and I like the pretty blue eggs. Never in a million years would I tell anyone these birds are anything but what they are: Easter Eggers. Six hours round trip? Phoo, we could do that standing on our heads! I really hope you get what you need and want. Go for it! You'll regret that you didn't, a lot longer than you'll regret that you did. :hugs
 
I will be okay 😊 very nice thought though.

Silver lining is that this whole fiasco spurred me to continue looking for my breeders and I have actually found a master breeder and a line of birds that I absolutely adore and should be getting a few of them in the fall. If I can figure out a way to get birds from Alabama to TN without it costing an arm and leg, I could actually get some from her line from another breeder that is working with her birds now but I'm not sure I want to drive that far 🤔 we will see. Maybe I will take the trip? 6hrs round trip....

The dreams postponed but not given up 😊
That’s not that far! I say do it! Maybe it’s just not far to me in New England where we used to drive to NH, VT, Maine, etc. all the time which was anywhere from 2-3 hours to like 5+ hours LOL we also used to drive to western PA ALL the time when I was a kid cause we have family out there and that’s 9-10 hours. So 3 hours one way is nothing to me 🤣😭🙈 but I understand it’s a lot for some people. But I say it’s worth it.
 

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