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  1. DTchickens

    Oriental Gamefowl Thread!

    There are no gamefowl that aren't "Too gamey". They are either game or they are not That being said though, there are gamefowl that mature at different rates. I think you will find Shamo, especially in the US, will be the least aggressive of the three main types commonly mentioned (Asil, Thai...
  2. DTchickens

    Oriental Gamefowl Thread!

    Jim Zook sells Malay, might have some available now. Google "Orchard Poultry Farm" and email him.. You might also look around for Carl Brantley, from my understanding he has Malay and sells some as well? But, I am speaking of live birds. It's too late in the year in my opinion to be looking for...
  3. DTchickens

    Oriental Gamefowl Thread!

    Even if there was a registry system like with dogs, doesn't mean anything.. I've heard of people who were going to use a deceased Chihauhau's papers for dogs I know one of which was half Pomeranian and the other I hadn't a clue (they didn't either) but he didn't look full Chihauhau. God bless...
  4. DTchickens

    Oriental Gamefowl Thread!

    Paulo, on the white ears; is that the same stag in all of those photos? In the first photograph it doesn't appear he is white eared but rather red eared, yet I do notice in the next two it looks white eared. I guess what I am asking is, does the ear coloration change? I have noticed one of the...
  5. DTchickens

    Oriental Gamefowl Thread!

    It is the same as a pea comb, if you look at a proper pea comb (as you will find on Shamo, Asil, and many other Orientals) you'll notice three (i.e. Triple) ridges; I specify Orientals because though some AG and other bankiva fowl show the three ridges, a lot of the time since the combs we call...
  6. DTchickens

    Oriental Gamefowl Thread!

    Phoenix aren't classified as Oriental, more ornamental/longtail type and some may call them "Asiatic" but I've never seen/heard it done. The term Oriental is usually only applied to Oriental Gamefowl (Shamo, Asil, Thai, Burmese, Sundanese, Malay, Ga Noi (Don/Cua), Ga Ho, Tuzo, etc) and...
  7. DTchickens

    Oriental Gamefowl Thread!

    Here you go friends, Filipino "Philippine" Asil, also known as Parawakan apparently. Googled it and found the links posted by Nico on Ultimatefowl. http://stonecold522.multiply.com/photos/album/14/Parawakans_ http://stonecold522.multiply.com/photos/album/22/Parawakan_Grades
  8. DTchickens

    Oriental Gamefowl Thread!

    I've never heard of the Filipino either, but if I hazarded a guess I would be willing to bet it is a American grade. Every time I have seen "Asil" in the Philippines I have always seen them carrying a little American blood because they need it to make it in their shows and also because...
  9. DTchickens

    Oriental Gamefowl Thread!

    Maybe, I just heard from somewhere from a breeder that Ganoi occasionally came naked-necked? I believe Doc even mentions in his Malgache article they are the same thing (he believes)? I don't know Ganoi or Malgache so you maybe right, I have read information on both but they were never something...
  10. DTchickens

    Oriental Gamefowl Thread!

    Do you think perhaps the guys Malgache are a strain of Ganoi? They're said to come both nakedneck and full feathered. Either way, I think he's a fine looking bird; if he's game I wouldn't care what he is if I liked him enough.
  11. DTchickens

    Oriental Gamefowl Thread!

    What kind of rooster is that?
  12. DTchickens

    Oriental Gamefowl Thread!

    Yep. But, as I said before. To allow games to "work" nowadays is pretty much a felony offense in most places, or at the least, a misdemeanor. So I don't encourage it. They are breeds that are excellent to have around, but they can be more costly to raise and to a degree more complicated due to...
  13. DTchickens

    Oriental Gamefowl Thread!

    Only if you don't want to lose a farm fowl, I have never seen any farm fowl (Even large breeds like the Rhode Island Red) that were accurate/strong enough to do any real damage unless they were at it for a long time. But American Game, Shamo, and various other Oriental game have and can break...
  14. DTchickens

    Oriental Gamefowl Thread!

    You can, but you have to watch it. Some dunghills like to get out to the edge of the cord and take shots at their head where they can't reach them.. But if they ever get in close, they'll usually run off and leave the other cock alone. Hens are fine, but other cocks may need to be watched...
  15. DTchickens

    Oriental Gamefowl Thread!

    All gamefowl turn aggressive past a certain age; towards other birds (not people, at least no more than any other breed). If you're wanting small Orientals, KO Shamo, maybe a Tuzo, and Asil will do it for you I think. Asil mostly are small in the US (but don't expect bantam size, they're just...
  16. DTchickens

    Oriental Gamefowl Thread!

    My opinion posted was not of Shamo as a whole, there are plenty of birds in Japan and other countries and even Suzann Chung's birds I have heard are the real deal. I also tried to make sure I specified "In my experience with the Jim Zook stock-" these birds came from Prariechiken which came from...
  17. DTchickens

    Oriental Gamefowl Thread!

    Not to argue really, but gameness is more than how a cock moves, their structure, or anything else. Gameness itself is something that is in-coded into each birds genetics, a willingness to die fighting for the sole purpose of dominance; It's not trained into them, it's not fed into them, it...
  18. DTchickens

    Oriental Gamefowl Thread!

    Sumatras aren't game, they used to be and there are rumors of some in South America that still are. But the rest are all show stock. I am assuming that when you say the Sumatra was too tough for the Shamo the Sumatra is larger/has more age on him? Otherwise the Sumatra shouldn't have a chance...
  19. DTchickens

    Oriental Gamefowl Thread!

    My experience with the Jim Zook Shamos are the cocks will be fine with anything that doesn't show aggression towards them in large areas; its not until they are confined to a pen that they really turn aggressive. So if the heritage birds avoided the Shamo they might live, but the issue is too...
  20. DTchickens

    Oriental Gamefowl Thread!

    My Shamo used to nip at me some for feed to get my attention when younger, they weren't necessarily hard bites (they feel like it, but when compared to really being bit by one they obviously were not out of aggression). He still will peck the feed bucket if I let him out while I'm walking around...
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