Meet the "Warlander" a new fad breed of horse

[patandchickens]

For those who think Andys and Friesians are similar in build:

Friesians typically have long (traditionally, loooong) backs/loins. Andalusians typically are on the short-backed side.

Friesians typically have long somewhat swanlike necks. Andalusians pretty much never do, much less so than many breeds.

Friesians traditionally have carriage-horse hindquarters... straightish, and built to propel forward not particularly to carry under and lift up. Andalusians the opposite, structured very much from the pelvis right on down to the ground to get the hind end under the body and carry the body's weight *up*.

Friesians have basically carriage-horse action; obviously both breeds use their knees and hocks more than, say, a TB show hunter, but Andalusians' action is very different.

I have nothing against either of them, actually I'd say I would have trouble deciding if you offered me my pick of one or the other (generically). But they are reeeeallly not the same kind of horse at all. Apples and oranges.

As you can see from those pics of the crosses

Pat

 

[WIChookchick]

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Yep, I've heard of Anglo Andalusians...nothing new.

Oh don't get me started on the LaCroix saga! I thought it was overwith but noooooooo, he has to start something!

At least he wasn't listed as a breeder for this!

No, he's still out there. Anytime there is a high-stepping harness horse from Europe, he buys a stallion, crosses it with an Arab mare, Sweepstakes nominates the stallion, creates a registry and voila! Something he can pass onto his clients and customers who don't think Arabs trot high enough.

WHile I liked the looks of the one I called drool rific only due to his grey mane and tail on a black body..
AND I did call them a Fad....

Now don't get me started on Georgian grandes...
Or walkaloosa's, araloosa's, arawalkers, gaited arabs, pintaloosa's, pintabians, sabino arabians, Quarter Paint ponies, Quarter ponies, Azteca's, and Fresian crosses, and appy/draft crosses...
OH wait there is the Trekhener/appy crosses to recreate the original nez perce appy...yeah...
Oh.. sorry singlefooters, and spotted (something) horse.
Lets not forget how the Stonewall sport horse turned out (WHO you say.. a fellow bred leopard appy's to percherons, and TB's then cross bred back again to fix the type) they did a wagon haul across the US... and disappeared into history...
THe Pintabian registry was defunct or IS semi defunct for many years now. The Mountain Pleasure horse registry is being absorbed into other registries. And the Pinto horse just opened up to every one!!
If you have a solid colored horse that is registered.. come on over.. BUT we don't offer any solid classes like the ApHA, or the APHA, except a color class at World...
Yippeeee.....

And culling.. that is why there are only BLACK fresians...they culled the red ones.. how stupid is that...
any way.. fun fun... LOVE what is written here.

 

[patandchickens]

Personally I don't have any problem with F1 crosses or even further, as long as one recognizes that one is merely propagating horses.

There are some breeds that cross together quite nicely for certain purposes.

And I don't have any issue with giving them a name, like anglo-arab, pintaloosa, Azteca, whatever you want. Some of the names are kind of ah awkward-sounding to me but everyone's ear is different and it is really only shorthand for whatever the breeds being crossed are.

Calling the early-generation crossbreds a BREED, though, and making it out as if they are an actual "thing", I am not so impressed with.

Pat

 

[scbatz33]

I've never been terribly fond of Andalusians. And honestly, Frisians were awesome all on their own.

 

[Celtic Hill]

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It's amazing what Plastic Surgery can do ahy?

 

[welsummerchicks]

Andalusians and Friesians are nothing alike.

I am not sure there could be any two breeds that are more dissimilar in conformation, build, temperament, everything.

Some years ago, there was some effort on the British Isles, to try and create a 'Child's Pony' breed by crossing Icelandic Horses with Thoroughbreds.

And that is just one more example of a cross that does not work.

Crosses don't work because exty million generations ago one horse of such and such a breed found his way into a field and jumped a mare.

They just work because they do and it isn't something that makes any sense - except of course you have to actually have some sort of rhyme and reason to your logic of what traits you want to get from one and what traits you want to get from the other and FOR WHAT REASON - to do what. And how's it going to be any better than what is already there.

And that F1 generation is something you CULL, it's not something you take every individual resulting from and stand for breeding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The REASON outcrosses work is because they kill 9 out of 10 of the results! The F1 generation of most of those outcrosses - well, most of them look like, 'an inharmonious mixture of the worst of both worlds' most of the time. About 1 out of 10 has the traits and movement and conformation you're shooting for.

So off with their heads - Or today.....banish them to pulling a wagon at disney world, after neutering them so no one can ever allow them to procreate!

 

[michickenwrangler]

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It's amazing what Plastic Surgery can do ahy?

Do you mean Magnum Psyche? He was the one they did throatlatch surgery on the in 1998

 

[welsummerchicks]

The what?

(chokes on her koolaid)

 

[Celtic Hill]

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It's amazing what Plastic Surgery can do ahy?

Do you mean Magnum Psyche? He was the one they did throatlatch surgery on the in 1998

Didn't they also do some silicone injections into his croup to level it out too?

 

[michickenwrangler]

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1998 US National Champion Stallion Magnum Psyche. His trainer David Boggs was suspended from the IAHA for 5 years + 5 yrs probation for throatlatch surgery on this stallion (who won as a 3 yr old btw). Boggs said it was so the stallion wouldn't colic, but the IAHA ruled that the surgery was unnecessary. While Boggs was punished, Magnum Psyche was allowed to retain his championship.

Now for me, I would never breed to a 3 yr old stallion who was unproven in a performance division, but others do.

By now, he has hundreds of get and grand-get and great-gand get because they breed so young for a pretty deer-like chestnut stallion that "peaks" at age 3 and no one ever hears from them again, but the NAMES in the pedigree are in demand.