Meet the "Warlander" a new fad breed of horse

[EweSheep]

Welsummerchicks, that sounds like the mini horse breeders I know....it was just pitiful to watch those deformed horses suffer all because "you'll wait, they will outgrow it, or with a bit of surgery , they will come out of it". Most of the time reality sucks, they don't and it would be much more humane to put down a mini drawf horse with serious leg problems or a real bad overbite or underbite that they would literally starve themselves to death to eat something.

Crossbreeding horses have their purposes, to get the best of both worlds that have been successful over and over, in higher percentage like the Arabian/Saddlebred or Arabian/Pinto...most of them I've seen are beautiful and they do have a good market for them.

However the Arab/TN Walkers, ugh, I've seen one Arabian farm (raises heavy black *Fa-Serr lines) near here that crossed them with their TN Walking horse mares and they produced awful butt ugly, crooked mouthed foals. My cousin was one of those suckers that bought a filly from them but the breeder told her she can breed that filly anytime she wants to when she is ready. When I saw that mare, OMG! UGLY! Long mule ears, oversized TN head with a dish, small eyes, very short neck, short body, very long TN legs, and has buck teeth. I had to break my cousin's heart that the filly IS NOT breeding material no matter how beautiful she was in color (solid black). With bad training, awful gait, I had to retrain this mare to a very good sensible Western Pleasure and English Pleasure riding and I HAD fun with this mare but at all cost, she was NEVER ever to be bred. I had this mare for at least five years before my cousin decided to sell her (she didn't have the time for her nor would want to board her when we were going elsewhere for trail ridings) So I sold it to my sister's army recruiter and I made her promise NEVER to breed this mare. She didn't breed her, and she kept Saaseri until she was put down due to old age. She was one of the BEST mares to have around, level headed and a heart of gold to please you. Would I repeat this breeding? Definately not! I don't know if the breeder did breed more of her siblings or half siblings but if one got a stud book around, it is possible she might had a brother. Blackwell was the breeder's name here in Decatur. I dont think she is breeding Arabs anymore.

Breeds like that would come and go, only the very serious breeders would continue the lines and breeding goals.

 

[Celtic Hill]

That's so scarry! But why would you buy a Arab/TWH to breed?

 

[BlackBart]

I like the Warlander better than the Georgian Grande. Georgian Grandes seem like a mish mash registry to me.

Friesian/Arab crosses area called Arabos. There is a registry for them. Below is Dark Laes, a Arabo

 

[michickenwrangler]

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Now THAT's a pretty horse

 

[Peaches Lee]

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I actually quite liked the Friesian/Appaloosas that I've seen. Holsteiner/Friesian yielded a very impressive horse that was solidly built, very easy temperament and an outstanding combined driving horse. I am strongly opposed to the TB/Friesian cross. To me, it left an animal with much to be desired. The temperament was poor and flighty and unpredictable.

I am shocked at the responses about Friesians and Andies being nothing alike. Of course, they are slighty in that they are different breeds but they are more similar than what is being stated here. Both have exemplary temperaments, both have Baroque conformation, the long mane/tail and both are incredibily versatile--with that said I cannot fathom a cross from these two being "useless". Basically they are similar balls of wax. Most people who own Friesians, will eventually (or already) have other Baroque horses in their arsenal because although slightly different (through selective breeding goals) the "nucleus" is the same. Calm, gentle-natured, amatuer friendly mounts, with potential for many disciplines.

I do think that a useless cross would be the aforementioned Gelderlander suggestion. The Gelderlander is known throughout competitive driving as a highly spirited horse that is not for everyone and considers simply walking a task of patience. The Friesians non-reactive, steady temperament would be lost. Plus the conformation of both would not lend itself in a complementary favor to each other.

The Dutch registry is highly against any crossbreeding. They continously ignore the warning signs of inbreeding. They look for horses with impressive knee action which can be seen in many of their keurings. The German registry however is more open and more pursuant of a well-rounded individual in sport. All offspring must be keur'ed (judged) in order to be accepted. This includes half-breds. Half-bred stallions also participate in 50 day stallion testings to ensure no willy-nilly breeding. This is an expensive endeavour (keuring, testings,) as you usually have to travel quite some distance to the inspection sites. 50 day testings are designed to weed out animals that are not of breeding quality. The horses must endure dressage training, jumping, driving, pulling weight and scored on temperament and conformation. It is a very serious endeavour and not at all romanticizes the Friesians fairy tale features. I know this because I have worked these testings and this is where I base my opinions from, not from the internet or magazines but rather real life experience.

 

[BlackBart]

I agree with Peaches Lee about the Friesian registries.
If they don't pass they should be gelded BUT that doesn't stop people from purchasing colts and using them for out crosses.
I know one person who bought a Friesian colt from the USA. Never took it to the Kuering because as they put it "If it doesn't pass there is a record of it. If it doesn't go there isn't any record"
They are using it for out cross's. People are too dense not to ask why it was never went to the Keuring.
Do your homework people!

Those registries that rely on the honor system are ridiculous. The registry of my breed is 100 years old and now demands DNA. When that came in, some horses had their papers pulled but it was no where near as bad as the Morgan fiasco several years back. That was a severe blow to the Morgan breed.

 

[EweSheep]

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My cousin was young, a young teenager and her parents were no better. They thought of the "Black Beauty" horse but they knew nothing. The breeder was pretty blind about her horses to breed too. She was making a sale to my cousin that she could breed this filly anytime when my cousin has the money for stud fees, boarding for two, etc. all that "dream" of having a foal makes a VERY bad combination for new owners, inexperienced and full of dreams. Half Arabs at that time were a dime a doz. This was back in 1980's. So glad this mare was never bred, her life time career was to be a riding horse, period. My Dad loved riding her, since he was heavy man, and this Arab was well over 15.2H and could go all day on the trails with him. Her conformation was horrible but funny, she never came up lame or sore at all but a HIGH wither, short back and LONG croup, it was one heck of a mis-matched conformation I've EVER seen in a horse. Almost like a zebra crossed with a giraffe kind of thing. Even my teachers at BHE was saying she was the WORSE horse they have EVER seen in their many years of judging and training LOL! However her gentle nature and heart of gold after the 90 day training I put in her (she was horrible, knowing only STOP and GALLOP, when the moment you put your foot in the stirrup....oh the countless days I literally had to slammed her against the wall to get her to WALK and be able to listen to me and my cues). Once I got her attention, we worked with her gaits because she was clumsy as an lazy ox and worked on cavalettis to "pick up" her lazy legs and after awhile, she was very happy and in tuned with my cues. After I got done training her, took her back home on my farm, my cousin, who was deadly scared of her, was just floored of the tranformation of a very calm, secure horse and in turn, I had to teach my cousin of her breathing and balance...if you are afraid of the horse, the horse can read you.

That is why TN/Arab crosses never go well with me. It may be due to the nick or mismatched between her parents that went badly.

 

[EweSheep]

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I agree with this kind of strict testing on those horses. We could use that type of testing on our Friesians and the similar breeds which Europe is so popular for.

I am not aware of the Morgan fiasco, what was it? I love the look of the OLD Morgan type, not the darn Saddlebred looking Morgans I've been seeing lately in CW reenactments.

 

[BlackBart]

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emailed you with the info.

 

[michickenwrangler]

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I agree with this kind of strict testing on those horses. We could use that type of testing on our Friesians and the similar breeds which Europe is so popular for.

I am not aware of the Morgan fiasco, what was it? I love the look of the OLD Morgan type, not the darn Saddlebred looking Morgans I've been seeing lately in CW reenactments.

Morgan Fiasco brought to you by PineHaven Farms of Midland, MI. Used to know a guy who rode a PineHaven Morgan.

The Friesian thing was so popular back in the late 90s early 2000s that people were buying ANY Friesian, standing him at stud, letting him breed WHATEVER and people would pay $5,000+ for the foals.