Walt, those Shamos are beauties. Kinda in your corner on the size, if you're gonna have big birds, go for it. Ya might hafta build your own show pens, lol. I like the looks of Gallo's Brazilians also. As I said before, I had to get rid of all my other orientals, both Shamo and Brazilians, to make room for my Asil breeding program. All my fowl have been pit bred instead of show, but I sure appriciate a fine looker.......Pop